All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023
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@cgrant great post but i think it shows the opposite of your 2nd line
We have maybe 18 really good test players, a few jobbers, and the rest would battle to make other nations.
Agree the tight 5 looks pretty sorted. It would look more sorted if our best lock didn't have to play 6. Loosies are good to start, but i worry about the bench. And if Savea gets injured we're in trouble as the rest of the trio are picked to compliment him, AND no one else can get a minute on the pitch.
We have 1 halfback. we have no 10s. JBarrett is the 12 by default really. We have one centre. We have wing options but not a single one feels like a "penned in to the team" presence. Our fullback is a shadow of his former self.
Given the shape of our team we would be fucking ace with a boring game manager at 10. Reward our dominant forwards with field position, use the weapons when that pressure eventually tells.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
Hopefully RM can become far more assertive in closing out matches and far more accurate in execution when not under pressure
lol this is fantasy stuff
There's basically only Super rugby between now and the World Cup
RM will go back to kicking duels against even worse players than him, look great doing it, and walk in to the 10 jersey next year/ Seriously, he only has to win kicking duels against other noodle-legged NZ 10s, and a bunch of park footballers masquerading as professional 10s in Australia (there is a reason Rennie prays for Cooper to miraculously recover for next year, ever other option he has is club standard).
We'll get to the World Cup and our lads will wonder why the fuck their kicks that look so good in March at Hamilton suddenly disappear back over their heads.
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I don't mind the thought of a positional 10 as it makes sense, however they have been playing dual playmakers now for so long, I can't see any strategic change. I can only hope that all 10s use the beginning of 2023 to begin their meteoric form rise because that cupboard just has crumbs
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@bayimports said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
I don't mind the thought of a positional 10 as it makes sense, however they have been playing dual playmakers now for so long, I can't see the any strategic change. I can only hope that all 10s use the beginning of 2023 to begin their meteoric form rise because that cupboard just has crumbs
Need a new Mehrts to rise in a WC year like in 94/95 and be trusted by the coaches. Zero chance of either happening
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So:
Squad depth:- De Groot, Bower, Ross, Hogman, Norris, Williams
- Taukeiaho, Taylor, Aumua, Coles, McAllister, Ekland, Bell, Thompson
- Lomax, Newell, Tu'ungafasi, Taavao, Williams, Jager
- Retallick, Vaii, Lord, Walker-Leawere, Gallagher, Holland
- Whitelock, S Barrett, Vaii, Lord, Tuitupou, Dickson
- S Barrett, Blackadder, A Ioane, Mikaele-Tu, Vaii, Frizzell
- Papalii, Cane, Blackadder, Jacobson, Harmon, T Christie
- Savea, Sotutu, Grace, Mikaele-Tu, Sowakula, Jacobson
- Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, Roigard, Roe
- R Mo'unga, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Gatland, ?? J Ioane?
- Clarke, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Rayasi, Telea
- J Barrett, Tupea, Lenert-Brown, RTS, Nankivell, Havili, T Umaga-Jensen, P Umaga-Jensen
- R Ioane, Lenert-Brown, Goodhue, T Umaga-Jensen, B Sullivan, Ennor, Proctor
- Jordan, Telea, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Stevenson, Nareki
- Jordan, J Barrett, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Z Sullivan, Stevenson
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@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
So:
Squad depth:- De Groot, Bower, Ross, Hogman, Norris, Williams
- Taukeiaho, Taylor, Aumua, Coles, McAllister, Ekland
- Lomax, Newell, Tu'ungafasi, Taavao, Williams, Jager
- Retallick, Vaii, Lord, Walker-Leawere, Gallagher, Holland
- Whitelock, S Barrett, Vaii, Lord, Tuitupou, Dickson
- S Barrett, Blackadder, A Ioane, Mikaele-Tu, Vaii, Frizzell
- Papalii, Cane, Blackadder, Jacobson, Harmon, T Christie
- Savea, Sotutu, Grace, Mikaele-Tu, Sowakula, Jacobson
- Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?
- R Mo'unga, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Gatland, ?? J Ioane?
- Clarke, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Rayasi, Telea
- J Barrett, Tupea, Lenert-Brown, RTS, Nankivell, Havili
- R Ioane, Lenert-Brown, Goodhue, T Umaga-Jensen, B Sullivan, Ennor
- Jordan, Telea, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Nareki
- Jordan, J Barrett, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Z Sullivan
close man but there might be maybe 2 or 3 professional rugby players in NZ that you missed.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
So:
Squad depth:- De Groot, Bower, Ross, Hogman, Norris, Williams
- Taukeiaho, Taylor, Aumua, Coles, McAllister, Ekland
- Lomax, Newell, Tu'ungafasi, Taavao, Williams, Jager
- Retallick, Vaii, Lord, Walker-Leawere, Gallagher, Holland
- Whitelock, S Barrett, Vaii, Lord, Tuitupou, Dickson
- S Barrett, Blackadder, A Ioane, Mikaele-Tu, Vaii, Frizzell
- Papalii, Cane, Blackadder, Jacobson, Harmon, T Christie
- Savea, Sotutu, Grace, Mikaele-Tu, Sowakula, Jacobson
- Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?
- R Mo'unga, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Gatland, ?? J Ioane?
- Clarke, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Rayasi, Telea
- J Barrett, Tupea, Lenert-Brown, RTS, Nankivell, Havili
- R Ioane, Lenert-Brown, Goodhue, T Umaga-Jensen, B Sullivan, Ennor
- Jordan, Telea, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Nareki
- Jordan, J Barrett, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Z Sullivan
close man but there might be maybe 2 or 3 professional rugby players in NZ that you missed.
Do yah want me to do 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th options?...
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@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
- Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?
Roigard will be likely Hurricanes number 1 halfback while TJ is injured. Who is TTT playing for next year and who will cover TJ injury at Canes.
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@mikedogz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
- Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?
Roigard will be likely Hurricanes number 1 halfback while TJ is injured. Who is TTT playing for next year and who will cover TJ injury at Canes.
TTT is at the Landers covering for Fakatava.
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@booboo said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
On the subject of halfbacks, seems TJP has blown an ACL. Out for 9 months.
Pretty much rules him out of RWC.
Achilles not ACL as I first heard on SENZ.
But 9 months nonetheless.
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@booboo said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@booboo said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
On the subject of halfbacks, seems TJP has blown an ACL. Out for 9 months.
Pretty much rules him out of RWC.
Achilles not ACL as I first heard on SENZ.
But 9 months nonetheless.
I reckon a pro sportsperson could be back within 6 months with no complications.
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@Mackerzzzz said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
So:
Squad depth:- De Groot, Bower, Ross, Hogman, Norris, Williams
- Taukeiaho, Taylor, Aumua, Coles, McAllister, Ekland
- Lomax, Newell, Tu'ungafasi, Taavao, Williams, Jager
- Retallick, Vaii, Lord, Walker-Leawere, Gallagher, Holland
- Whitelock, S Barrett, Vaii, Lord, Tuitupou, Dickson
- S Barrett, Blackadder, A Ioane, Mikaele-Tu, Vaii, Frizzell
- Papalii, Cane, Blackadder, Jacobson, Harmon, T Christie
- Savea, Sotutu, Grace, Mikaele-Tu, Sowakula, Jacobson
- Smith, Webber, F Christie, Fakatava, Ratima, ?? TTT?
- R Mo'unga, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Gatland, ?? J Ioane?
- Clarke, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Rayasi, Telea
- J Barrett, Tupea, Lenert-Brown, RTS, Nankivell, Havili
- R Ioane, Lenert-Brown, Goodhue, T Umaga-Jensen, B Sullivan, Ennor
- Jordan, Telea, Reece, Fainga'anuku, Lam, Nareki
- Jordan, J Barrett, B Barrett, Mckenzie, Perofeta, Z Sullivan
- Thompson, Bell ??
- Wouldn’t rate IWL
- Roigard Roe
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- Stevenson
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Fact is we'd get by with a reasonable level of rugbying and make it out of pool play even losing our top XV (whoever that actually is).
Not much further ... but we do have depth
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Could we add Billy Proctor to this list ? He is highly rated by the Canes and by the Lions coaches (not by the Ferners though). Not brilliant, but sound and reliable in defensive situations. He is not going to win you a game, but he is not going to make you lose it either.
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question re depth, would anyone else prefer for our 3rd and 4th choice players in a squad to generally be younger guys coming through?
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Could go on a few threads this. We mostly hate him but a few of these points have been discussed on here by the fern, potentially he stole our material and then added his sour tone to it..
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@bayimports I unfortunately read it
Terrible article. And frankly damning of the guy it's supposed to support.
Absolutely packed with bullshit though.
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His point kept changing and I agree a lot of it is vent but I do agree with that Foster needs to the the combo of RM and JB a good run together barring injury.
Also agree that I think in context of that match the drop goal was wrong option, although didn’t really think it added to his central point lol -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bayimports I unfortunately read it
Terrible article. And frankly damning of the guy it's supposed to support.
Absolutely packed with bullshit though.
Something is going on with RM though. He looks a shadow of his Crusader self when he's with the ABs. Maybe he hasn't got the top two inches for test rugby, or maybe there is something about the role he is expected to play for the ABs? Or maybe it's something else altogether. Who knows.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks depth 2022 & 2023:
@bayimports I unfortunately read it
Terrible article. And frankly damning of the guy it's supposed to support.
Absolutely packed with bullshit though.
Something is going on with RM though. He looks a shadow of his Crusader self when he's with the ABs. Maybe he hasn't got the top two inches for test rugby, or maybe there is something about the role he is expected to play for the ABs? Or maybe it's something else altogether. Who knows.
Replace RM with the initials of probably at least half a dozen players.
