All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Not giving up on DH, just think it's time to give QT a start. There's a chance he might provide a solution.
Yep. ALB's injury has expose the bareness of the cupboard. We didn't have a settled 12/13 in 2019, but it did have some experience.
Dave looks to have run out of gas.
At the end of Super rugby, he was he clear pick to play 12 - but, he's spent the year re-learning the position to play in two different teams, when he was probably expecting/hoping to play fullback for the Mako next Saturday.
They'll probably have to put him on the bench, but I think QT (Cotton Bud?) will have to step up this weekend.
the attitude to contact was alarming
There was one beautiful Irish exit in the 2nd half where i think i was Aki drove straight in to the midfield flat out, presented the ball and they cleared close to halfway
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
I think he was hitting it up harder earlier in the season and I can also remember him absolutely creaming some big munter during the Super season with a dominant tackle. Might have been Laumape. Which we haven't seen since.
But, DH has had a season of receiving plenty of ball and tackler at the same time, and he's a bit small for the job of repeatedly charging into the guns. He's more Aaron Mauger (landrover) than Ma'a Nonu (tank).
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@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Not giving up on DH, just think it's time to give QT a start. There's a chance he might provide a solution.
Yep. ALB's injury has expose the bareness of the cupboard. We didn't have a settled 12/13 in 2019, but it did have some experience.
Dave looks to have run out of gas.
At the end of Super rugby, he was he clear pick to play 12 - but, he's spent the year re-learning the position to play in two different teams, when he was probably expecting/hoping to play fullback for the Mako next Saturday.
They'll probably have to put him on the bench, but I think QT (Cotton Bud?) will have to step up this weekend.
the attitude to contact was alarming
There was one beautiful Irish exit in the 2nd half where i think i was Aki drove straight in to the midfield flat out, presented the ball and they cleared close to halfway
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
I think he was hitting it up harder earlier in the season and I can also remember him absolutely creaming some big munter during the Super season with a dominant tackle. Might have been Laumape. Which we haven't seen since.
But, DH has had a season of receiving plenty of ball and tackler at the same time, and he's a bit small for the job of repeatedly charging into the guns. He's more Aaron Mauger (landrover) than Ma'a Nonu (tank).
Last thing needed with rush defences is 'runs sideways' Mauger. He was a lot of the reason we remember Lomu tip-toeing down the sideline. It was all the room he got.
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@crucial Lomu and mauger would have only overlapped for what....a season? how many games did they play together?
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@crucial Yep - but, what are you going to do (said in a NYC accent).
The other midfield options are pretty thin. They switched ALB to 2nd five - something that needed to happen - and he got broken.
So we've got to have neo-QT this week or Dave (who is cooked). And Rieko (who is much better on the wing) or Ennor, who's not really up to it.
Laumape would be quite handy, right about now!
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial Lomu and mauger would have only overlapped for what....a season? how many games did they play together?
8 but the memory holds well.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial Yep - but, what are you going to do (said in a NYC accent).
The other midfield options are pretty thin. They switched ALB to 2nd five - something that needed to happen - and he got broken.
So we've got to have neo-QT this week or Dave (who is cooked). And Rieko (who is much better on the wing) or Ennor, who's not really up to it.
Laumape would be quite handy, right about now!
Or PUJ.
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if only we hadn't let Michael Collins go......
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Here's a thought that is probably going to be unpopular (and John Mitchell/Christian Cullen sounding). Jordie may need to learn to communicate better and direct the players in front of him.
It's hard to tell when watching on TV but he doesn't seem to do a lot of directing or telling others where gaps are etc as another pair of eyes. -
@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
But, DH has had a season of receiving plenty of ball and tackler at the same time, and he's a bit small for the job of repeatedly charging into the guns.
My eye test says Havili and Tupaea would be similar in size so I don't believe Havili is only 88 kg.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
But, DH has had a season of receiving plenty of ball and tackler at the same time, and he's a bit small for the job of repeatedly charging into the guns.
My eye test says Havili and Tupaea would be similar in size so I don't believe Havili is only 88 kg.
Tupaea seems a more physical style of player. Sammy T was way smaller than Havilli and was a way more physical player.
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@bovidae Havili is 95-96 kgs on the Mako website.
If he's going to continue playing 2nd five, I'd have him adding bulk in the offseason.
For what it's worth - I think the backs for France will be (or should be):
Smith, Mo'unga, Tupaea, RIoane, Reece, Jordan, Jordie
TJP, DMac, Havili
Reasonable probability they'll send Dave once more unto the breach with QT on the bench though.
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@george33 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris-b no mounga start McKenzie at 10 and tupea and reiko in midfield that's if beauden ruled out or McKenzie on bench mounga ain't gonna win the big ones
Dollars to doughnuts that Moúnga will start (assuming Beauden is out).
Richie's already beaten everybody (well, he came on as a sub vs England, but we won).
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@george33 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris-b no mounga start McKenzie at 10 and tupea and reiko in midfield that's if beauden ruled out or McKenzie on bench mounga ain't gonna win the big ones
But McKenzie, predominantly a 15 with a handful of games at 10 (and is buggering off overseas isn't he?) is going to win the big ones?
Not saying RM is the answer, but surely playing McKenzie at 10 achieves nothing. So yeah, Foster probably will play McKenzie at 10.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
- Moody
- Samisoni
- Ofa T
- Vaii
- Whitelock
- A. Ioane
- D. Papail'i
- H. Sotutu
- F. Christie
- R. Mo'unga
- R. Ioane
- Havili
- Tupou
- Jordan
- J. Barrett
- D. Coles
- Karl T
- Laulala
- Retallick
- S. Cane
- A. Smith
- D. Mac
- B. Ennor
Worried about his game. France are good and their half back, Dupont, is fantastic.
Who is Tupou ?
The secret weapon that will bring physicality, patience, no errors, long kicking, ball security.
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I’d start Coles and have Sami on the bench.
Props argghhh
Retallick and Whitelock need to lift.
Was watching some highlights of France v Oz and what about a loose trio of
6- Ioane
7-Savea
8-JacobsonBlackadder on the bench.
Backs - don’t really mind who, as long as Smith starts.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bovidae Havili is 95-96 kgs on the Mako website.
If he's going to continue playing 2nd five, I'd have him adding bulk in the offseason.
For what it's worth - I think the backs for France will be (or should be):
Smith, Mo'unga, Tupaea, RIoane, Reece, Jordan, Jordie
TJP, DMac, Havili
Reasonable probability they'll send Dave once more unto the breach with QT on the bench though.
9 Smith, 10 mo'unga Ok
But
11 Tupaea 12 Ioane 13 Reece no way! -
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@george33 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris-b no mounga start McKenzie at 10 and tupea and reiko in midfield that's if beauden ruled out or McKenzie on bench mounga ain't gonna win the big ones
But McKenzie, predominantly a 15 with a handful of games at 10 (and is buggering off overseas isn't he?) is going to win the big ones?
Not saying RM is the answer, but surely playing McKenzie at 10 achieves nothing. So yeah, Foster probably will play McKenzie at 10.
Seems a dumb call to play DMac at 10 when he's off to Japan.But you are right Foster will probably do it.
