All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@broughie the alternative wold be a less dominant tackle but get there faster and catch them behind the gainline, try and force an error with the scrambling back
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@kiwiwomble true but I like going forward.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble true but I like going forward.
Ireland exposed the outside edge of NZs defence several times on Saturday to make good ground and get into the 22. As much as the defensive effort to repel them on the goal line was exceptional at times, questions need to be asked as to why Ireland were able to get there in the first place. Doris try aside (where Taylor missed his man), it was the AB backline defence that was caught out, not necessarily Ireland going up the guts.
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@kiwiwomble although passive defence is less likely to catch the opposition behind the gainline.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
We were also changing the coaching team ever couple of years then - at least until Ted came along, IIRC - and not many people were happy with his re-appointment after 2007.
I was firmly in the reappoint camp. I thought the body of work he put together was remarkable, and he had earned a second crack at it.
In his entire AB coaching career, he lost twice to NH sides. Both France; the infamous 07 and then a game in Carisbrook from memory when they were down here. It's an incredible record.
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@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble true but I like going forward.
Ireland exposed the outside edge of NZs defence several times on Saturday to make good ground and get into the 22. As much as the defensive effort to repel them on the goal line was exceptional at times, questions need to be asked as to why Ireland were able to get there in the first place. Doris try aside (where Taylor missed his man), it was the AB backline defence that was caught out, not necessarily Ireland going up the guts.
Irish forward interpassing was exceptional at times. V ABesque I'd say. The changing of the point of attack was very good. Ireland and France probably have the 2 best set of ball playing front rows going right now, with the Boks not far behind. Ireland have also moved to a 1-3-2-2 attack formation under Mike Catt. It has taken 2 years, but it was highly effective on Saturday. This was the attacking shape the Japanese used in the world cup to shock the Irish. It had an impact on them that they have learned from and used to their advantage.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwiwomble although passive defence is less likely to catch the opposition behind the gainline.
i dont think its quite passive if you can get up fast enough, isn't that what we're actually being caught out with? i dont think our guys are getting smashed, they're going down in pretty standard tackles...just often behind the gainline, which is still going "forward"...just less penalties/cards
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@kiwiwomble but thats part of the problem, we arent getting up quick enough either...lots of issues
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@taniwharugby 100%, thats what i was meaning, something we could look at changing if we dont think we can get these dominant tackles right without giving away penalties, go for speed.
Or go for numbers, more counter rucking, outside defence would need work to cover the loss in defenders....but try something else
edit: saying it now it seems a similar problem with our attack, no patience or vision, every tackle needs to be a turn over and every play needs to risk everything to open them up
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Not giving up on DH, just think it's time to give QT a start. There's a chance he might provide a solution.
Yep. ALB's injury has expose the bareness of the cupboard. We didn't have a settled 12/13 in 2019, but it did have some experience.
Dave looks to have run out of gas.
At the end of Super rugby, he was he clear pick to play 12 - but, he's spent the year re-learning the position to play in two different teams, when he was probably expecting/hoping to play fullback for the Mako next Saturday.
They'll probably have to put him on the bench, but I think QT (Cotton Bud?) will have to step up this weekend.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Not giving up on DH, just think it's time to give QT a start. There's a chance he might provide a solution.
Yep. ALB's injury has expose the bareness of the cupboard. We didn't have a settled 12/13 in 2019, but it did have some experience.
Dave looks to have run out of gas.
At the end of Super rugby, he was he clear pick to play 12 - but, he's spent the year re-learning the position to play in two different teams, when he was probably expecting/hoping to play fullback for the Mako next Saturday.
They'll probably have to put him on the bench, but I think QT (Cotton Bud?) will have to step up this weekend.
the attitude to contact was alarming
There was one beautiful Irish exit in the 2nd half where i think i was Aki drove straight in to the midfield flat out, presented the ball and they cleared close to halfway
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
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@mariner4life a few of this team seem to avoid contact at all cost and lose momentum by doing a couple of meaningless steps and then get folded and jeopardise the ball, sometimes you just need to run straight and hard and look to recycle front foot ball
this actually also goes to a previous point, everyone is looking to break the line rather than building pressure for someone else to break of the next phase
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp nope. He is a very good player in the wrong position.
I wonder if he will get the chance to revert to fullback and stake a claim there? With DMac going to Japan there could be a gap in the squad for him to be a fullback/12 reserve.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
Agree on both points.
Many of the problems with individuals are from players under Razor which raises questions on whether he really is equipped to improve players at an AB level.
He's a very good person manager and knows how to get a tea functioning well at Super level but when so called star players like Mounga seemingly have no clue what to do when faced with what teams like Ireland will bring it kind of points to him not being the saviour of NZ rugby.
Another Deans when what we need is another Wayne Smith.I would be looking at Joseph and Brown to take the reins to be honest. Joseph's speciality is hard nosed forward packs and Brown is the creative thinker that our backs need.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
that depends on the role he's playing, i didn't watch enough of the crusaders, was he doing things different or he was doing pretty much the same and it was just working at the lower level?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
I said during the match thread that he is not decisive. Whether he is going to pass, hit it up, kick, whatever, he needs to make the decision immediately and stick to it.
He has a horrible habit of having a little nibble himself before shovelling it to the next guy.
I think the worst thing that happened to him was scoring a soft side stepping try against Fiji. That moment came too easy and he keeps looking for it when he'd be better off committing to a straight hard run.
When you put that outside the 'world class touch player' the backline doesn't function.
There's no way he should start this weekend. I wouldn't write him off as a 12 though. However he needs to make fundamental adjustments during SR
