All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@crucial Yep - but, what are you going to do (said in a NYC accent).
The other midfield options are pretty thin. They switched ALB to 2nd five - something that needed to happen - and he got broken.
So we've got to have neo-QT this week or Dave (who is cooked). And Rieko (who is much better on the wing) or Ennor, who's not really up to it.
Laumape would be quite handy, right about now!
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial Lomu and mauger would have only overlapped for what....a season? how many games did they play together?
8 but the memory holds well.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial Yep - but, what are you going to do (said in a NYC accent).
The other midfield options are pretty thin. They switched ALB to 2nd five - something that needed to happen - and he got broken.
So we've got to have neo-QT this week or Dave (who is cooked). And Rieko (who is much better on the wing) or Ennor, who's not really up to it.
Laumape would be quite handy, right about now!
Or PUJ.
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if only we hadn't let Michael Collins go......
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Here's a thought that is probably going to be unpopular (and John Mitchell/Christian Cullen sounding). Jordie may need to learn to communicate better and direct the players in front of him.
It's hard to tell when watching on TV but he doesn't seem to do a lot of directing or telling others where gaps are etc as another pair of eyes. -
@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
But, DH has had a season of receiving plenty of ball and tackler at the same time, and he's a bit small for the job of repeatedly charging into the guns.
My eye test says Havili and Tupaea would be similar in size so I don't believe Havili is only 88 kg.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
But, DH has had a season of receiving plenty of ball and tackler at the same time, and he's a bit small for the job of repeatedly charging into the guns.
My eye test says Havili and Tupaea would be similar in size so I don't believe Havili is only 88 kg.
Tupaea seems a more physical style of player. Sammy T was way smaller than Havilli and was a way more physical player.
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@bovidae Havili is 95-96 kgs on the Mako website.
If he's going to continue playing 2nd five, I'd have him adding bulk in the offseason.
For what it's worth - I think the backs for France will be (or should be):
Smith, Mo'unga, Tupaea, RIoane, Reece, Jordan, Jordie
TJP, DMac, Havili
Reasonable probability they'll send Dave once more unto the breach with QT on the bench though.
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@george33 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris-b no mounga start McKenzie at 10 and tupea and reiko in midfield that's if beauden ruled out or McKenzie on bench mounga ain't gonna win the big ones
Dollars to doughnuts that Moúnga will start (assuming Beauden is out).
Richie's already beaten everybody (well, he came on as a sub vs England, but we won).
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@george33 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris-b no mounga start McKenzie at 10 and tupea and reiko in midfield that's if beauden ruled out or McKenzie on bench mounga ain't gonna win the big ones
But McKenzie, predominantly a 15 with a handful of games at 10 (and is buggering off overseas isn't he?) is going to win the big ones?
Not saying RM is the answer, but surely playing McKenzie at 10 achieves nothing. So yeah, Foster probably will play McKenzie at 10.
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@cgrant said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
- Moody
- Samisoni
- Ofa T
- Vaii
- Whitelock
- A. Ioane
- D. Papail'i
- H. Sotutu
- F. Christie
- R. Mo'unga
- R. Ioane
- Havili
- Tupou
- Jordan
- J. Barrett
- D. Coles
- Karl T
- Laulala
- Retallick
- S. Cane
- A. Smith
- D. Mac
- B. Ennor
Worried about his game. France are good and their half back, Dupont, is fantastic.
Who is Tupou ?
The secret weapon that will bring physicality, patience, no errors, long kicking, ball security.
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I’d start Coles and have Sami on the bench.
Props argghhh
Retallick and Whitelock need to lift.
Was watching some highlights of France v Oz and what about a loose trio of
6- Ioane
7-Savea
8-JacobsonBlackadder on the bench.
Backs - don’t really mind who, as long as Smith starts.
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@chris-b said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bovidae Havili is 95-96 kgs on the Mako website.
If he's going to continue playing 2nd five, I'd have him adding bulk in the offseason.
For what it's worth - I think the backs for France will be (or should be):
Smith, Mo'unga, Tupaea, RIoane, Reece, Jordan, Jordie
TJP, DMac, Havili
Reasonable probability they'll send Dave once more unto the breach with QT on the bench though.
9 Smith, 10 mo'unga Ok
But
11 Tupaea 12 Ioane 13 Reece no way! -
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@george33 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@chris-b no mounga start McKenzie at 10 and tupea and reiko in midfield that's if beauden ruled out or McKenzie on bench mounga ain't gonna win the big ones
But McKenzie, predominantly a 15 with a handful of games at 10 (and is buggering off overseas isn't he?) is going to win the big ones?
Not saying RM is the answer, but surely playing McKenzie at 10 achieves nothing. So yeah, Foster probably will play McKenzie at 10.
Seems a dumb call to play DMac at 10 when he's off to Japan.But you are right Foster will probably do it.
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
Agree on both points.
Many of the problems with individuals are from players under Razor which raises questions on whether he really is equipped to improve players at an AB level.
He's a very good person manager and knows how to get a tea functioning well at Super level but when so called star players like Mounga seemingly have no clue what to do when faced with what teams like Ireland will bring it kind of points to him not being the saviour of NZ rugby.
Another Deans when what we need is another Wayne Smith.Genuinely clueless post. Robertson does not have any involvement with the backs specifically. Goodman is the Crusaders 'position specific coach' who works with mainly the outside backs, but also the midfield. Scott Hansen is the current inside backs coach, Mooar in previous years. Scott Hansen works individually with Mo'unga and Havili on the technical areas of their game, Razor is not involved at all.
Razor has always been a defence & breakdown specialist, that's been his specialized coaching area since ~2008/2009 seasons.
According to some former players I've talked to Razor is a rugby genius, and with regards to his attention to detail, planning & tactical aspects, Robertson is up there with Wayne Smith and most certainly ahead of Robbie Deans.
Wyatt Crockett's playing career overlapped with Deans, Henry, Smith, Hansen & Razor, in various coaching roles between 2006-2017.
According to him, Razor and Wayne Smith were the 2 standout coaches among that prestigious group.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
DH does not smack in to it. In fact he hesitates right at the point. That's not fucking helpful.
Could a good coach improve that?
apparently he had a very good coach early in the year. Why didn't he sort it?
Coaching at AB level shouldn't be about teaching guys this level of detail.
Agree on both points.
Many of the problems with individuals are from players under Razor which raises questions on whether he really is equipped to improve players at an AB level.
He's a very good person manager and knows how to get a tea functioning well at Super level but when so called star players like Mounga seemingly have no clue what to do when faced with what teams like Ireland will bring it kind of points to him not being the saviour of NZ rugby.
Another Deans when what we need is another Wayne Smith.Genuinely clueless post. Robertson does not have any involvement with the backs specifically. Goodman is the Crusaders 'position specific coach' who works with mainly the backline players , including Havili, Jordan, etc.. Scott Hansen is the current inside backs coach, Mooar in previous years. Scott Hansen works individually with Mo'unga and Havili on the technical areas of their game, Razor is not involved at all.
Razor has always been a defence & breakdown specialist, that's been his specialty coaching area since around ~2008.
According to some former players I've talked to Razor is a rugby genius, and with regards to his attention to detail, planning & tactical aspects, Robertson is up there with Wayne Smith and most certainly ahead of Robbie Deans.
Wyatt Crockett's playing overlapped with Deans, Henry, Smith, Hansen & Razor, in various coaching roles between 2006-2017.
According to him, Razor and Wayne Smith were the standout coaches among that prestigious group.
Great Post and very True any ex players you talk rate Razor very highly, even the players under him in the NZ under 20's.
