Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour
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@stodders said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
several ppl have said it on here...he gets dominated at test level.
Up until he was injured he was really solid at 15 and certainly wasn't dominated by the NH sides in 2018. But at times he looks a shadow of the player he was pre-injury.
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@victor-meldrew He's off to Japan next year. By the time he comes back, I think he'll be behind J Barrett and Jordan at 15 at least.
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@victor-meldrew on current form, you wouldn't want him defusing the bombs that are certain to rain down in Dublin next week.
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@stodders said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew He's off to Japan next year. By the time he comes back, I think he'll be behind J Barrett and Jordan at 15 at least.
I think he is now.
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@stodders said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew on current form, you wouldn't want him defusing the bombs that are certain to rain down in Dublin next week.
Cue Jordie to have a shocker...
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That was a very hard watch.
If passes stuck like a good ab team then it’s a good win and we are happy. They didn’t and we sucked and we are unhappy.
Halfback only really performed well. I wonder what his odds were for first try scorer given he was on bench and we were playing Italy.
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I think Whitelock is a fantastic captain
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@berniescorner said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
I think Whitelock is a fantastic captain
Fully. When Fozzie first made the decision to have Cane as his captain I was shaking my head.
Whitelock is arguably as good as McCaw as a captain.
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Ok haven't read the thread and only 70 minutes in. Three things.
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Ennor isn't an international centre's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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How is it that everyone in the world can see Bridge isn't an international winger's arsehole, apart from Robertson and Foster?
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Who the fuck is Dixon? Probably the worst ref performance at test level in decades.
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Well not a great performance, as pointed out probably noone in team forced the coaches to say he needs to be in team next week. Think they were ok, not switched on properly, and one or two would be disappointed they didn't take chances to put hands up.
DMac as said really struggled I thought, RMo would be disappointed with his game, I think he need a second playmaker to play his best, he operates much better when he can loop around behing havili or someone and take the ball off them. He just seemed intent on shovelling ball on , or kicking down middle of field. Ennor will have nightmares about his game, as perhaps I think Jacobson will, he seemed to struggle to get into game.
I will add although I was disappointed with how ABs played, I was pissed with the camera work etc too, and bugger it was still a decent margin , so...... -
Just watched the replay , glad I didn’t sit up for it , that first half was a tough watch .
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We didn't play well but we still flogged them. We often play poorly against Italy, and normally win by less than 38 points.
Christie played well I though and Cane got through 80 minutes.
Flush the dunny and move on. In 2 weeks everyone will have forgotten this game except for the score.
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Just watched replay and gave not looked at any comments. I was annoyed at the refereeing allowing a lot of cynical stuff to go unchecked. I thought that was what rocked the AB's. Players taken off the ball. Lying on players in the ruck. Checking players under the high ball without genuinely going for it. Tap downs. There would have been a lot of penalties in nz. I thought he was overly officious but ignored all the cynical stuff.
As a result I thought Richie Mounga was well off beat with his kicking and setting up his runners while the AB's tried to ride it out.
Bridge and Coles were easily our best in my view, under pressure. Cane was largely ignored by commentary but did lots of good things as game went on. Christie was a real spark.
Must be hard for coaches and captains when you have to adapt so many instinctive things due to referee interpretations.
Italy went very well. Great display by Ioane. Minozzi and Carney were tigers too. -
Haven’t read the whole thread, about half way through the second half…have not enjoyed this
Not going to bag guys like vaai, lord, ennobled etc as their either inexperience of out of their depth
More worried about how poorly cane, Richie, dmac and Reece have played
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@booboo said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in Italy vs All Blacks 2021 NH Tour:
Looking forward to this game, it could be prosecco rugby. Plenty of scoring opportunities for our lightning #11, Bascule Bridge.
Funny, if there's a game I don't look forward to it's Italy. They're just so uninspiring and spoiling. We tend to play down to their level.
Will watch of course. Live. But Italy have an amazing ability to suck the life from a game.
As predicted.
So, set my alarm for 10:50 ... a.m. d'oh. Missed it live but have just finished watching the recording.
I haven't read the thread but I suspect much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
And also expect that many of the following points will have been raised.
- Our handling was atrocious. Some down to our tactics of playing it really flat and players getting ball and man at the same time. Some dropsys and bad passes just inexplicable.
The former, which can be attributed to the coaching staff (who I'm sure are copping plenty of flack), but is fixable through tactics .
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Our set piece was generally excellent. Won us the match.
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Our D was awesome and a bit of a weapon. Period in the first half when Italy retained possession we twice (I think) forced them back about 30m out of the 22. The irony being they had a try from the resulting we-can't-make-ground-with-ball-in-hand-let's-go-for-the-last-resort-random-kick, but the ref fucked up.
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Wasn't the first, last or only time the ref fucked up. Where'd they get him from?
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Hurricanes supporters will be delighted as Cane looked sluggish and lacking power.
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Vaa'i my MOTM.
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And I reckon they've made a good choice in Lord.
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Lomax went ok.
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Christie went OK. Any word on Weber? Head knock may mean we get TJ for the big games.
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First half score flattered. Full time about right.
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I said earlier that I knew none of the Italians, and none of them did anything to make them memorable in this match.
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May have missed any earlier discussion, but is Monty any relation to Digby?
All for now. Will read the thread and see who is clever enough to agree with me.
