The All Black's current midfield balance.
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@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@l_n_p some of our backs just need to get better to running to support and how to go to ground and recycle, its a worry how many are getting held up or getting isolated and turning the ball over
You just described George Bridge.
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@crazy-horse i dont know, i would say his biggest fault is he always runs infield, i assume looking for support, never backs himself out wide, fair call re not recycling though
i was actually thinking of DMac, the only reason he doesnt get caught with the ball a lot is he'll just throw it away if there a chance he'll get tackled (exaggerating i know) or Havili, in the first test, it wasn;t all his fault he was getting the ball under huge pressure but rather than accepting the odds of breaking the line were low and looking to recycle he would run upright into the tackle hoping to break it and often either get held up or get isolated
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@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@l_n_p some of our backs just need to get better to running to support and how to go to ground and recycle, its a worry how many are getting held up or getting isolated and turning the ball over
This is a good point and I wonder if it comes from the obsession with the offload.
Rather than running a support line behind the guy with the ball so you have options to clean out or change or angle to get in space and receive a pass, our support runners are often lateral to receive a pass and so when the pass doesn't come we end up over running the tackle area and having to clean out from the wrong side and with no momentum
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@junior i think that might be the case, and i think that comes from this approach to try and open a team up from anywhere on the field...which is great if you can do it....but if you cant and keep trying you can get yourself in trouble
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I wondered about Bridge - if he was told to always do that, lacked confidence, or if it just seemed the safest thing to do.
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@nostrildamus said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
I wondered about Bridge - if he was told to always do that, lacked confidence, or if it just seemed the safest thing to do.
It was so single minded, I'm pretty confident that he was under instruction. He wasn't, however, told to fix buckets where his hands should be.
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@bones said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@nostrildamus said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
I wondered about Bridge - if he was told to always do that, lacked confidence, or if it just seemed the safest thing to do.
It was so single minded, I'm pretty confident that he was under instruction. He wasn't, however, told to fix buckets where his hands should be.
Brad Shields had a good career for someone with toasters for hands I must say.
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@bones said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@nostrildamus said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
I wondered about Bridge - if he was told to always do that, lacked confidence, or if it just seemed the safest thing to do.
It was so single minded, I'm pretty confident that he was under instruction. He wasn't, however, told to fix buckets where his hands should be.
yeah. little to discuss re his efforts under the highball
His efforst with the ball in hand are more interesting, to me ti looked like he was under direction, someone was trying to "fix" his game by hammering into him to always run to support and really it just made things worse, before he went between invisible to ineffective....in that game he topped the list for almost losing the game
edit: writing this made me think, Its something i noticed clarke doing last year, at first i thought "good, safe play from the new guy" but then as it became more obvious i started thinking "back ya self mate!" and getting a little frustrated
Im wondering if its someone in the coaching team thats preaching it....and i dont like it for a left winger. most peoples dominate pass is right to left and so the left winger should have the luxury of as much space as he likes and so should be looking to get outside his man or stretching the defence to make a hole midifield, left winger defaulting to running out to in just seems a waste
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@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
most peoples dominate pass is right to left
Think that's a thing of the past.
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@bones the majority of people being right handed is a ting of the past?
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@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@bones the majority of people being right handed is a ting of the past?
Can't see where I said that.
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@bones said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@bones the majority of people being right handed is a ting of the past?
Can't see where I said that.
ok, we'll as far as i understand it is almost always more natural for a right handed person to pass right to left, which is all i was saying, not that people CANT pass both ways
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@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@bones said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@bones the majority of people being right handed is a ting of the past?
Can't see where I said that.
ok, we'll as far as i understand it is almost always more natural for a right handed person to pass right to left, which is all i was saying, not that people CANT pass both ways
More natural? Not sure what bearing that has on anything. I highly doubt that's a consideration when rugby has been pro for close to 30 years. Even at decent club level it's not a common thing for passing left to right to be considered a handicap.
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@bones in my experience with a club this year it 100% is a thing, we had coaches down from the Rebels teaching right to left back line flushes and left to right broken by forward pods for exactly this reason, whole sessions on kick offs to the receiving teams left to make unleashing the backline slightly harder, explanations about if our only a meter or two less from your right to left...by the time that's propagated through 4-6 passes in a backline your winger might need to be 5-8 m infield
of course there are lots of people who are just as good one way as the other...ive also see professionals spin and face their own line so they can pass further on their dominant side and as i say ive seen professional coaches talk about this stuff this year
all i can do it talk my experience so if your sure it has no relevance then feel free to ignore
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@kiwiwomble fucken Aussies eh! 15 years ago in Welly it wasn't a common thing and even over here I can only think of one centre who couldn't pass right. But he could hardly pass left either.
Maybe it's more common where players come late to the game.
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@bones ...kiwi coach for the 1's and a kiwi and french bloke for the 2's at the club actually, only a quarter of the people playing club rugby in melbourne are actually aussies
there is a difference between not being able to pass to your right and just being better going left than right, as i say, small difference can propagate over the length of the whole backine
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@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
there is a difference between not being able to pass to your right and just being better going left than right, as i say, small difference can propagate over the length of the whole backine
You don't say...
So anyway there's your coaching master stroke. Teach your players to be just as competent passing to their right (at least to the level of a Kiwi/UK club player 😉) and your opposition will stop and watch in awe.
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@bones said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@bones said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@bones the majority of people being right handed is a ting of the past?
Can't see where I said that.
ok, we'll as far as i understand it is almost always more natural for a right handed person to pass right to left, which is all i was saying, not that people CANT pass both ways
More natural? Not sure what bearing that has on anything. I highly doubt that's a consideration when rugby has been pro for close to 30 years. Even at decent club level it's not a common thing for passing left to right to be considered a handicap.
Did you see the Wallabies when Dingo started coaching them? The backline couldn't pass L2R across the width of the field.
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@antipodean said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@bones said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@bones said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@bones the majority of people being right handed is a ting of the past?
Can't see where I said that.
ok, we'll as far as i understand it is almost always more natural for a right handed person to pass right to left, which is all i was saying, not that people CANT pass both ways
More natural? Not sure what bearing that has on anything. I highly doubt that's a consideration when rugby has been pro for close to 30 years. Even at decent club level it's not a common thing for passing left to right to be considered a handicap.
Did you see the Wallabies when Dingo started coaching them? The backline couldn't pass L2R across the width of the field.
I'm picking that more than a quarter of them were Aussies...
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@kiwiwomble said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@bones said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
@nostrildamus said in The All Black's current midfield balance.:
I wondered about Bridge - if he was told to always do that, lacked confidence, or if it just seemed the safest thing to do.
It was so single minded, I'm pretty confident that he was under instruction. He wasn't, however, told to fix buckets where his hands should be.
yeah. little to discuss re his efforts under the highball
His efforst with the ball in hand are more interesting, to me ti looked like he was under direction, someone was trying to "fix" his game by hammering into him to always run to support and really it just made things worse, before he went between invisible to ineffective....in that game he topped the list for almost losing the game
edit: writing this made me think, Its something i noticed clarke doing last year, at first i thought "good, safe play from the new guy" but then as it became more obvious i started thinking "back ya self mate!" and getting a little frustrated
Im wondering if its someone in the coaching team thats preaching it....and i dont like it for a left winger. most peoples dominate pass is right to left and so the left winger should have the luxury of as much space as he likes and so should be looking to get outside his man or stretching the defence to make a hole midifield, left winger defaulting to running out to in just seems a waste
De Allendhe is an example.
