All Blacks vs Springboks I
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@jr_ said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
How would you prove it anyway? That's impossible.
Of course we know faking injuries feeds into the Bok game plan of slowing the game down. In fact, faking an injury give them a LONGER breather than simply walking to a lineout.
What would be interesting is for someone to count how many times the Boks go down in games but the "injured" player then continues playing vs how many times this happens for other teams. Perhaps this was just a one-off, but I doubt it.Exactly, it is impossible to prove. But the fact that it "feeds into our plan" doesn't make it so either. I just think this general line is being overcooked a bit. It started with the Lions tour (where the Bok boring rugby narrative also took hold) and now seems to be something for everyone to bitch about every week. Agree one would need some stats on it to get a real view....I also think the Boks are too negative on tempo and they need to up it. The slow walk everywhere and trudging to the line outs is just too defensive. Get some fucking spring in your step man!
The Boks probably can't stay with us in a speed game. So it is logical that they would try everything to slow and shorten the game. I blame the ref for letting them do it. He was shockingly bad
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So we played the final 10 minutes with the following backline set up
HB - Webber
1st 5 - Beaudie2nd 5 - Havili
Centre - QuinnLW: Ioane
RW: DmacFB: Jordie
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@african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@jr_ Fantastic post. Just because we didn't enjoy the style that you guys bring doesn't mean we should sulk about like babies. We should be looking at finding a way to counter it.
I enjoyed the contrast in styles tbh, and as you said, it was an old school street fight which we found a way to come out on top.
Always play to your strengths, not play a style you aren't good at to please others.
Except I don't believe endless bombs is playing to their strengths at all. There are some very talented players in that team who barely get their hands on the ball and are chasing bombs all day.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
So we played the final 10 minutes with the following backline set up
HB - Webber
1st 5 - Beaudie2nd 5 - Havili
Centre - QuinnLW: Ioane
RW: DmacFB: Jordie
Was it as much about the fact that our forwards were more competitive late?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@jr_ Fantastic post. Just because we didn't enjoy the style that you guys bring doesn't mean we should sulk about like babies. We should be looking at finding a way to counter it.
I enjoyed the contrast in styles tbh, and as you said, it was an old school street fight which we found a way to come out on top.
Always play to your strengths, not play a style you aren't good at to please others.
Except I don't believe endless bombs is playing to their strengths at all. There are some very talented players in that team who barely get their hands on the ball and are chasing bombs all day.
If you're too unfit, that's a good option though right - and you're going to be forever getting injuries.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Not sure about the subs, but actual realistic points. Unlike NZH all around 6 and 7
Yeah that was pretty spot on except for Jordan. He did some good things but farked up several times. Not Bridge bad but pretty farking close to it.
See article below highlights work at the breakdown as not being good enough. Not totally a loose forward thing but you would think a criticism of Ardie and Akira given positive comments on Blackadder.
Foxy on the money.
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@frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Not my observation but I read somewhere ( Rugby Pass (?)), playing Ardie and Akira together may be problematic because they are similar players. They have obvious strengths but don't hit rucks and move bodies like other options at loose forward.
I agree. I actually have changed my mind on the loose forward combo. Agree with the reasoning above. Ardie and Akira are both primarily attacking ball runners (though certainly capable of turnovers)
I think Foster might replace Akira with Blackadder at 6. Blackadder has been outstanding in the last two games and we need more speed at the breakdown. I also prefer Jacobson over Ardie at 8, but because Ardie is captain, he is undroppable.
If Akira is to be retained, his physical presence has to be utilized more on attack.
Papalii should be at 7, Jabobson at 8 and Blackadder at 6.
For me Papli'i best 7, then maybe Blackadder. Ardie no longer seems to shine there. Akira's role different, and he has credit in bank. Eight between Ardie, LJ and Sotutu. Arguments for each, but likely Ardie's seniority to prevail. Would be hard to lave Blackadder out of 23, based on sheer involvement.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan Fat Frans had Moodys number . He'll dominate him again on Saturday.
Moody was penalised for going forward?!!
Yup going forward is against everything current Bok rugby stands for!
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All Blacks expecting same tactics from Springboks
Claiming a win but with plenty still to work on would be the incentive for the All Blacks as they chase a Fortinet Rugby Championship Grand Slam in their final game against South Africa on the Gold Coast on Saturday.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@oompb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan Fat Frans had Moodys number . He'll dominate him again on Saturday.
Moody was penalised for going forward?!!
Yup going forward is against everything current Bok rugby stands for!
"There's plenty of power coming through both those packs, and it only takes a slight angle of a prop, and that power is going to go somewhere. We felt at times that if their tighthead is angling in slightly then, with the power that we've got, we're going to go through him, but it can also look like we're coming through on an angle.
"So all of these things are quite technical and the referees at times get them right and times get them wrong. We felt we got penalised at times when we hadn't done anything wrong," he said.
Some referees dealt with scrums better than others, he said.
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@pakman yup I was being a smartarse (of course) and although I had seen some of that before I hadn't seen all of it so thanks for the article.
I didn't notice the wind as much of a factor and I didn't see Scott Barrett smacked around. Has SBW given any up and coming tight forwards boxing lessons?!But seriously, I didn't see much positive intent with the ball itself and given the Boks got an easy try off Bridge I thought they could have kicked shorter and more angled to him rather than big high ones that gave JB and his far safer hands time to get under.
Perhaps they decided they were going to maul all day for as their only offensive ploy but I just felt they limited their own options.
But as I said earlier I thought the ABs could have kicked more, and not put their forwards on the wing so bloody often. -
Must be boring at SA trainings for guys in jersies 11-15
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@jr_ said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
How would you prove it anyway? That's impossible.
Of course we know faking injuries feeds into the Bok game plan of slowing the game down. In fact, faking an injury give them a LONGER breather than simply walking to a lineout.
What would be interesting is for someone to count how many times the Boks go down in games but the "injured" player then continues playing vs how many times this happens for other teams. Perhaps this was just a one-off, but I doubt it.Exactly, it is impossible to prove. But the fact that it "feeds into our plan" doesn't make it so either. I just think this general line is being overcooked a bit. It started with the Lions tour (where the Bok boring rugby narrative also took hold) and now seems to be something for everyone to bitch about every week. Agree one would need some stats on it to get a real view....I also think the Boks are too negative on tempo and they need to up it. The slow walk everywhere and trudging to the line outs is just too defensive. Get some fucking spring in your step man!
The Boks probably can't stay with us in a speed game. So it is logical that they would try everything to slow and shorten the game. I blame the ref for letting them do it. He was shockingly bad
The ref was fine. Your pommie or Irish origins are shining thru there.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Must be boring at SA trainings for guys in jersies 11-15
Is that better or worse than AB forwards being humiliated in actual matches? Like WC semi finals.
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@billy-tell said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@jr_ said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
How would you prove it anyway? That's impossible.
Of course we know faking injuries feeds into the Bok game plan of slowing the game down. In fact, faking an injury give them a LONGER breather than simply walking to a lineout.
What would be interesting is for someone to count how many times the Boks go down in games but the "injured" player then continues playing vs how many times this happens for other teams. Perhaps this was just a one-off, but I doubt it.Exactly, it is impossible to prove. But the fact that it "feeds into our plan" doesn't make it so either. I just think this general line is being overcooked a bit. It started with the Lions tour (where the Bok boring rugby narrative also took hold) and now seems to be something for everyone to bitch about every week. Agree one would need some stats on it to get a real view....I also think the Boks are too negative on tempo and they need to up it. The slow walk everywhere and trudging to the line outs is just too defensive. Get some fucking spring in your step man!
The Boks probably can't stay with us in a speed game. So it is logical that they would try everything to slow and shorten the game. I blame the ref for letting them do it. He was shockingly bad
The ref was fine. Your pommie or Irish origins are shining thru there.
I don't blame the ref for letting them do it. He doesn't have the tools to stop them with regard to injury feigning.. I do blame him for not allowing the ABs the ability to play their preferred way when they have won the right though.
As mentioned earlier he didn't allow quick taps, didn't enforce the 'hurry up' messaging, walked to the mark after an advantage....
He was very quick to try and stamp his authority on other aspects of the play eg no warning for closing space while a lineout was being set up. Pinging Moody for repositioning his feet for stability. Why couldn't he stamp his mark for delaying tactics at the set piece.
The AB leaders need to more onto it as well. Keep showing that you want to play quickly by being ready at lineouts, make sure you are last to stand up at scrum setups, take taps then when called back make the point that the ref needs to be quicker.....
