Black Caps tour of Pakistan
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A real shame all round.
The intelligence NZ received could be anywhere on the scale from good to bad, correct to outright wrong.
But a civilian PM advising a civilian cricket administrator on the placement of civilian sportsmen, for just a game (admittedly also it involves money) - it can only end one way, on the side of precaution.
Individual players who want to play in PSL etc can make their own risk decisions. But in this case David White has to take responsibility for other peoples safety.
A google search tells me that their were warnings for the Sri Lanka tour in 2009 that were ignored.
I don't know what the answer is going forward.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@mn5 said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
All the cricket pages I follow on FB are predictably full of rampant Pakistan fans slamming the “cowardly” Black Caps and extolling the virtues of their “amazing, beautiful, safe” country.
….and I thought Indian fans were bad.
Yep, all sorts of vile rubbish was being posted on the White Ferns social media updates during their ODI last night.
As a cricket fan it is annoying if a game can’t go ahead, but that pales into insignificance compared to player welfare and safety. As @No-Quarter says it’s potentially dangerous enough for Joe Bloggs let alone high profile sportsmen who’s every move can be tracked pretty easily via schedules on line. To hell with all of that shit.
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@bovidae said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
Now that the players have left Pakistan NZC will need to say what the "specific, credible security threat" was. Pakistan probably won't tour NZ in a while, and they have been one of the regular visitors.
No they don’t, you don’t expose intelligence assets and info like that. Certainly not for something like making NZC look a bit better
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@bovidae said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
Now that the players have left Pakistan NZC will need to say what the "specific, credible security threat" was. Pakistan probably won't tour NZ in a while, and they have been one of the regular visitors.
I would have thought Pakistan would need to explain why their intel service won't miss like they did in 2002 and 2009.
Pakistan IMO seriously are shooting themselves in the foot here, NZ didn't start the tour to pull out. After the vitriol it is difficult to see anyone giving the "benefit of the doubt" to touring Pakistan for a long while.
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@machpants said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@bovidae said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
Now that the players have left Pakistan NZC will need to say what the "specific, credible security threat" was. Pakistan probably won't tour NZ in a while, and they have been one of the regular visitors.
No they don’t, you don’t expose intelligence assets and info like that. Certainly not for something like making NZC look a bit better
Same security firm the English team use, apparently.
Things are changing fast over there, though. They border Afghanistan, and that place has changed massively and quickly
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@nzzp said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@machpants said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@bovidae said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
Now that the players have left Pakistan NZC will need to say what the "specific, credible security threat" was. Pakistan probably won't tour NZ in a while, and they have been one of the regular visitors.
No they don’t, you don’t expose intelligence assets and info like that. Certainly not for something like making NZC look a bit better
Same security firm the English team use, apparently.
Things are changing fast over there, though. They border Afghanistan, and that place has changed massively and quickly
Full of extremists looking for something to do or a point to make
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@rotated I'm certainly not defending Pakistan or the ISI, and I wouldn't tour there. But we run the risk of Pakistan pulling out of future tours to NZ, England, etc in retaliation if they aren't given some general explanation. This could get very messy and even more political.
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@bovidae said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@rotated I'm certainly not defending Pakistan or the ISI, and I wouldn't tour there. But we run the risk of Pakistan pulling out of future tours to NZ, England, etc in retaliation if they aren't given some general explanation. This could get very messy and even more political.
Maybe they were given the explanation but they are trying to deflect to save face with their fans?
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@mariner4life and the way they are collectively whinging about us leaving won't endear them to any future tourists. Just because you've had 99 days without incident doesn't mean you ignore warnings about something happening on day 100.
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@canefan said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@bovidae said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@rotated I'm certainly not defending Pakistan or the ISI, and I wouldn't tour there. But we run the risk of Pakistan pulling out of future tours to NZ, England, etc in retaliation if they aren't given some general explanation. This could get very messy and even more political.
Maybe they were given the explanation but they are trying to deflect to save face with their fans?
I did read this:
Pakistan’s Interior Minister, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, told a press conference the threat was a conspiracy from another country, and “an attempt to damage our efforts for peace in the region”.
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@bovidae said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@bovidae said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@rotated I'm certainly not defending Pakistan or the ISI, and I wouldn't tour there. But we run the risk of Pakistan pulling out of future tours to NZ, England, etc in retaliation if they aren't given some general explanation. This could get very messy and even more political.
Maybe they were given the explanation but they are trying to deflect to save face with their fans?
I did read this:
Pakistan’s Interior Minister, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, told a press conference the threat was a conspiracy from another country, and “an attempt to damage our efforts for peace in the region”.
Well good on them for being fluffybunnies about it
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Meanwhile, back in Mumbai, I can imagine some spotty Indian teenager cricket fanatic laughing his head off after his efforts to prank call the NZ hotel in Pakistan with a terror threat pays off. In one small phone call, he pisses off Pakistan and makes those horrible WTC winners take all the abuse. Two enemies in one play...
A plan so cunning, you could put a tail on it and call it a weasel!
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@bovidae said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@canefan said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@bovidae said in Black Caps tour of Pakistan:
@rotated I'm certainly not defending Pakistan or the ISI, and I wouldn't tour there. But we run the risk of Pakistan pulling out of future tours to NZ, England, etc in retaliation if they aren't given some general explanation. This could get very messy and even more political.
Maybe they were given the explanation but they are trying to deflect to save face with their fans?
I did read this:
Pakistan’s Interior Minister, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, told a press conference the threat was a conspiracy from another country, and “an attempt to damage our efforts for peace in the region”.
That's just standard Pakistan crowd-pandering politics - a "subtle" hint that dastardly India is behind it.
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Welp there has already been repercussions
