All Blacks vs Pumas II
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@cantab79 said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
On Blackadder, at least two of the missed tackles were him shooting out of the line and got a hand on the player, so as far as I am aware that counts as a missed tackle. There was one missed tackle off a kick restart where the Argies got the ball and he actually ran around a team mate and Blackadder got a hand to him but couldn’t tackle. That is counted as a missed tackle.
It reminds me when the odd game Snakey would have a higher than usual missed tackle count because he also was used as a shooter because he read the game so well.
I remember that Richie McCaw often recorded a few missed tackles because he busted his arse to attempt tackles that other players wouldn't have ever gotten to. He would get a finger on an attacker that another player wouldn't have touched. Blackadder makes the same effort and so I expect he'll record similar numbers of missed tackles.
If your theory were true, we could probably expect that Richie would have slightly worse numbers than the team overall (I.e., because he attempts harder tackles).
There isn't much evidence to suggest that this is true though, even if he did attempt harder tackles, as he was still more successful individually than the team overall.
I went back as far as I could to look at the data for tackles (ESPN), which is 2011, and identified 8 games in which McCaw played in 2011.
He had a few games off when either Thomson or Vito got a run at 7, but from those games, the key data is below:
SA: Made 11, missed none (100%) and team at 96% (86/90)
Australia: Made 16, missed none (100%) and team at 90% (121/135)
Australia: Made 8, missed 2 (80%) and team at 88% (97/110)Tonga: 12 made 1 missed (92%) and team at 98% (88/90)
France: Made 17, missed 1 (94%) and team at 91% (98/108)
Argentina: Made 5, missed 2 (71%) and team at 83% (52/63)
Australia: Made 16, missed 2 (89%) and team at 86% (106/123)
France: Made 18, missed 2 (90%) and team at 90% (128/142)For the year, for McCaw that makes 113 attempts, with 103 made (91%) while the team the total attempts were 861, with 776 made (90%).
Personally speaking, I think that if you are trying to compare Blackadder to the greatest player of all time by pointing to potential issues with McCaw’s game, you’ve already lost the argument.
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Wow, there are some optimists here about Blackadder.
How many players turn their games around, aged 26? It's not like he's come from league or had a series of bad injuries. He missed a lot of tackles and he's going to keep doing that because he doesn't position himself as well as a test player needs to. And that many penalties -- in a team trying to work on their penalty count -- is inexcusable.
When Frizzell first came onto the scene there were an awful lot of "if he does this ... " and "he'll get better with experience" too. At least he was young, and physically imposing.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
apparently we are. Sounds like this was a 'home game' for the Argies. It's not great - but there's a fair bit of reporting that we're back to No1.
You'd think this sort of thing would have been clarified by World Rugby or SANZAAAAAAARSE before the game started, eh
I think that would be stupid if true. It's a game played on neutral ground, no matter where it was supposed to be played.
Do we know if last week was considered a home game for us for ratings purposes.
I guess we must have, if this was the same for Argentina. Was a boks home game too, then. Fucking stupid if that's the decision for ranking points
Haha so the Boks play Australia in Australia and World Rugby consider it a home game for the Boks.
I reckon this hasn't been thought through properly. Who cares where the game was originally scheduled to be played 6 months ago
We'll find out on Monday, if we are world 1, then that is what has happened for the rankings If not, WR have at least 2 brain cells to rub together.
Yep... ever since the question first came up last night, and my check of what should happen, compared to what the commentators and media are saying...
I'm looking forward to Monday - to confirm who's actually more incompetent:- World Rugby bureaucrats...
- or commentators/Media.
<Insert cripple-fight gif/meme/thing>
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@kruse said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@damo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Are the ABs number 1 again yet? No one is even close.
Not quite
apparently we are. Sounds like this was a 'home game' for the Argies. It's not great - but there's a fair bit of reporting that we're back to No1.
You'd think this sort of thing would have been clarified by World Rugby or SANZAAAAAAARSE before the game started, eh
I think that would be stupid if true. It's a game played on neutral ground, no matter where it was supposed to be played.
Do we know if last week was considered a home game for us for ratings purposes.
I guess we must have, if this was the same for Argentina. Was a boks home game too, then. Fucking stupid if that's the decision for ranking points
Haha so the Boks play Australia in Australia and World Rugby consider it a home game for the Boks.
I reckon this hasn't been thought through properly. Who cares where the game was originally scheduled to be played 6 months ago
We'll find out on Monday, if we are world 1, then that is what has happened for the rankings If not, WR have at least 2 brain cells to rub together.
Yep... ever since the question first came up last night, and my check of what should happen, compared to what the commentators and media are saying...
I'm looking forward to Monday - to confirm who's actually more incompetent:- World Rugby bureaucrats...
- or commentators/Media.
<Insert cripple-fight gif/meme/thing>
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@kruse said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I'm looking forward to Monday - to confirm who's actually more incompetent:
World Rugby - because this shouldn't be a misundersatnding in the media; should be a clearly communicated outcome that people know.
Also, why the hell don't WR publish interim results as games come through? No rpoblem with the 'official rankings' being weekly on a Monday, but FFS we don't know who the World No 1 is right now. Amateur hour.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@kruse said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
I'm looking forward to Monday - to confirm who's actually more incompetent:
World Rugby - because this shouldn't be a misundersatnding in the media; should be a clearly communicated outcome that people know.
Also, why the hell don't WR publish interim results as games come through? No rpoblem with the 'official rankings' being weekly on a Monday, but FFS we don't know who the World No 1 is right now. Amateur hour.
Yes we do, South Africa are World Ranked Number 1. And will be until at least luchtime Monday UK time. Weekly updates from WR is pretty fast for them! Lucky it is not sent out yearly by paper mail
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I was surpised at the stats for Jordie's kicking success rate: 68% before he missed one. Then I thought, well maybe they give him the more difficult, long range ones.. That minor grump aside, for me he is the starter, but why does he ALWAYS have to be the designated linebreaker for the 9? Can't they get a surprize factor in there? And who is should be the second 15? As DMac AND BB look makeshift there IMO..
I like Jordan as a wing too but I noticed as he well he is normally out of position but I guess that is a factor in his rampant opportunism which I like to see in wing.
His counterpart though, Bridge, played solidly, was designated hospital pass receiver, didn't screw up taking it into contact which seems to be his job rather than actually make a tackle-but is he the right sort of build to be that person?Midfield, I think we have 4 I am happy with! Tupea looks good still, has some workons positioning/tackling though. Good to see R Ioane is still controversial whether he plays.
Nice pass but I still think Enigma Ennor is a foodbill, have not seen enough.
DMac played better than I thought, did crab once or twice, was great at key turnovers, don't remember him taking the ball up, generally linked well, would have been nice to see a few more splitting the line moments but those weren
the tactics and I suspect he has lost a little electric car acceleration ...As soon as Christie came on the play became disjointed and he has the physicality of ... well it ain't his key virtue. He gets to the ruck faster than TJP, passes faster, but the overall movement seems to have slowed? Perhaps TJP is more decisive..
Good game from Sotutu, did tire, but I so admire his athletic ability and sweet passing. Hope he can challenge Jacobson for the spot because it would be good to have two test-ready 8s. Yes Ardie, Dalton or AIoane could play there but only Ardie seems to be trusted at the moment at 8 (with Jacobson) I still prefer him at 7.
But at 6, while Blackadder did some great things, he is still a bit al over the place - probably most likely forward to help a team mate over the try line but back in the pack for me.
The real issue is at lock, still daylight between Whitelock Retallick and the others (didn't notice SB make his usual one per game clanger and he still takes the 3rd spot for hard work) and Vaa'i had a good game but was hit and miss coming off the bench in earlier games, may have a consistency issue. Sorry Patty T but you still seem to be waiting for a bus between rucks.
Props, Moody all day long and Lomax looked like a starter to me. The only concern I have for Samsoni is how he can keep his fitness as he ages-he's carrying quite a bit of beef there. Massive impact player.
Shoutout to Argentina for their hooker factory, and bitchy halfbacks (wanted to slap him myself. Milk that penalty-inducing face, son!)
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Good win, now let’s show the Boks who’s the real no 1.
But they’re so physical. And have you seen the size of them?
Will they be at full strength though?
They'd be unbeatable if they are
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@african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones Yeah, credit goes to Plumtree for me. The forwards look great with everyone putting their hand up. The Fiji tests i feel was a real good wake up call for the side where found out a lot about the side which is quite funny as a lot of people were slating the series, but it did quite the opposite for this team.
Maybe Fiji were actually quite good?
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@african-monkey said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@bones Yeah, credit goes to Plumtree for me. The forwards look great with everyone putting their hand up. The Fiji tests i feel was a real good wake up call for the side where found out a lot about the side which is quite funny as a lot of people were slating the series, but it did quite the opposite for this team.
Maybe Fiji were actually quite good?
Their forwards definitely were.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@junior said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Good win, now let’s show the Boks who’s the real no 1.
But they’re so physical. And have you seen the size of them?
Will they be at full strength though?
They'd be unbeatable if they are
Well clearly. They wouldn't lose with a full strength side against a Foster coached team.
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@chester-draws said in All Blacks vs Pumas II:
Wow, there are some optimists here about Blackadder.
How many players turn their games around, aged 26? It's not like he's come from league or had a series of bad injuries. He missed a lot of tackles and he's going to keep doing that because he doesn't position himself as well as a test player needs to. And that many penalties -- in a team trying to work on their penalty count -- is inexcusable.
When Frizzell first came onto the scene there were an awful lot of "if he does this ... " and "he'll get better with experience" too. At least he was young, and physically imposing.
Frizzell was never physically imposing at test level.
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I just watched it again. I call absolute 100% BS about Blackadder. He had an outstanding game! Talk about following a bandwagon full of shite! Every pundit outside of this parallel universe says he had a good game. Open your friggen eyes!
Signed newlywed Mrs. Blackadder
