Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones Rennie. The big fish that got away.
Without being AB coach, what more could he do in NZ? Think coaching Aus will be a very good experience for him.
I agree with you but the NZRFU stuffed up. It’s going be a difficult job for him in Oz but I would not be surprised if the Aussies take a game or 2 from us this year. Especially with our crew in charge and if we don’t solve the problem in our forwards.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones Rennie. The big fish that got away.
Without being AB coach, what more could he do in NZ? Think coaching Aus will be a very good experience for him.
I agree with you but the NZRFU stuffed up. It’s going be a difficult job for him in Oz but I would not be surprised if the Aussies take a game or 2 from us this year. Especially with our crew in charge and if we don’t solve the problem in our forwards.
Are you surprised Aussies take a game or two from us any year? That's pretty much the most unsurprising thing any rugby year.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones it wasn’t until recently. We had the wood on them. Ok, I’ll go out on a limb and say they will win the Bledisloe.
That's the spirit. If they do, then I'll concede that we are drastically missing the mighty Ram Rennie.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones So you don’t rate him? I also like Joseph by the way.
I definitely rate him, he's coached me before so he must be quite good. Are NZ missing him being in the country? Not so sure, but I guess the Canes could definitely do with a coach of his calibre.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones Rennie. The big fish that got away.
Rennie jumped to Aus when they offered him job, and I liked him as a super coach, (when he had right support ie Smith) still to be convinced at next level just yet.
I am a bit of a Joseph as well as Schmidt fan, but he was approached ny NZR after WC but was struggling with the whole test coaching experience thing apparently, and needed a break.
The whole Stuart Lancaster thing about NZ only looking inwards I believe just him trying to get a little attention. I not sure who all these top coaches who are available from other countries are anyway, I think quite often seemingly NZ is looked to by a few countries as the plave to get coaches from? IE Rennie was offered Aus job before it was even open etc.
The ABs had no trouble bringing in Mick Byrne when they thought he had something to add to what they required, and I will ask who are these other coaches that should be coaching them from around the world? -
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Cotter, Jono Gibbes, O'Halloran, Boyd, Evans might be a few I'd like to have around. I doubt that some of them would come back (such as Evans and Gibbes), and I imagine that Suntory treats O'Halloran very well.
As a defence coach, even cue-ball might be useful.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Rennie jumped to Aus when they offered him job
He jumped because it was clear he had nowhere to go in NZ. The same thing happened with the Canes, he "jumped" to the Chiefs because he was overlooked for the Hammettuer.
TBF, the Oz job is probably a fairly difficult one. They're kind of top tier but every big name coach has struggled with them since Rod Maqueen. Rennie is a much better coach then Foster, yet I don't think he can win the Bledisloe.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
The more involvement he has the worse the Chiefs are. When MacMillan has been in charge they look a much better team. Maybe his NH style doesn't work for our players?
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@nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Rennie jumped to Aus when they offered him job
He jumped because it was clear he had nowhere to go in NZ. The same thing happened with the Canes, he "jumped" to the Chiefs because he was overlooked for the Hammettuer.
TBF, the Oz job is probably a fairly difficult one. They're kind of top tier but every big name coach has struggled with them since Rod Maqueen. Rennie is a much better coach then Foster, yet I don't think he can win the Bledisloe.
Disagree, how did he know, he had signed with Aus 9 months before NZ job was available. To be honest like players, if coaches think it easier to get job overseas than even tp apply, are they what we want as coaches? At least when Deans went , he applied fpr AB job before. And Rennie was probably right, he was not top of list in NZ, and I will bet you or almost any poster who suddenly became Rennie fans weren't yelling then that he should be next AB coach. The only person I saw called for from internet experts was Razor, even Schmidt's name wasn't bandied around on net, until he came back to NZ, and NZR had approached him early I believe and as I said he was apparently mentally struggling with test rugby coaching!
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@dan54 Not sure about Stuart Lancaster’s comments either. I just don’t think we have good coaches right now. If anything they may be insula in that there’s been continuity with the same characters for a while. I mean if Eddie Jones wasn’t coaching England he would be a good person to give feedback on our game but that’s an if.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@dan54 Not sure about Stuart Lancaster’s comments either. I just don’t think we have good coaches right now. If anything they may be insula in that there’s been continuity with the same characters for a while. I mean if Eddie Jones wasn’t coaching England he would be a good person to give feedback on our game but that’s an if.
And from what I have seen NZ is one of few countries where you get a few chasing the job. Who stood against Eddie Jones etc? Warren Gatland say he has never applied for a coaching job, they were all offered to him, he says he doesn't have a cv or anything.
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@broughie Yet still when teams want coaches they keep looking at NZ ones , so I not sure how good or bad they are. Pivac got headhunted by Wales, Crowley by Italy, Joeph by Japan and Rennie by Aussie, seem a few countries think we got some good uns though.
I still like the idea of our coaches having experience with a few teams, and preferably s done work in test arena as I think it probably a lot different between super/club level and test level in requirements, at test level I think a lot of it is more like director of coaching rather than hands on? -
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Rennie jumped to Aus when they offered him job
He jumped because it was clear he had nowhere to go in NZ. The same thing happened with the Canes, he "jumped" to the Chiefs because he was overlooked for the Hammettuer.
TBF, the Oz job is probably a fairly difficult one. They're kind of top tier but every big name coach has struggled with them since Rod Maqueen. Rennie is a much better coach then Foster, yet I don't think he can win the Bledisloe.
Disagree, how did he know, he had signed with Aus 9 months before NZ job was available. To be honest like players, if coaches think it easier to get job overseas than even tp apply, are they what we want as coaches? At least when Deans went , he applied fpr AB job before. And Rennie was probably right, he was not top of list in NZ, and I will bet you or almost any poster who suddenly became Rennie fans weren't yelling then that he should be next AB coach. The only person I saw called for from internet experts was Razor, even Schmidt's name wasn't bandied around on net, until he came back to NZ, and NZR had approached him early I believe and as I said he was apparently mentally struggling with test rugby coaching!
Of course he knew. Coaches know were they stand and whether they have a chance at a job.
Also, there were lots of fans wanting Rennie as a coach - you would have seen the discussions both here and on PR.
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
Rennie jumped to Aus when they offered him job
He jumped because it was clear he had nowhere to go in NZ. The same thing happened with the Canes, he "jumped" to the Chiefs because he was overlooked for the Hammettuer.
TBF, the Oz job is probably a fairly difficult one. They're kind of top tier but every big name coach has struggled with them since Rod Maqueen. Rennie is a much better coach then Foster, yet I don't think he can win the Bledisloe.
Disagree, how did he know, he had signed with Aus 9 months before NZ job was available. To be honest like players, if coaches think it easier to get job overseas than even tp apply, are they what we want as coaches? At least when Deans went , he applied fpr AB job before. And Rennie was probably right, he was not top of list in NZ, and I will bet you or almost any poster who suddenly became Rennie fans weren't yelling then that he should be next AB coach. The only person I saw called for from internet experts was Razor, even Schmidt's name wasn't bandied around on net, until he came back to NZ, and NZR had approached him early I believe and as I said he was apparently mentally struggling with test rugby coaching!
What utter horseshit, see here
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@dan54 Not sure about Stuart Lancaster’s comments either. I just don’t think we have good coaches right now. If anything they may be insula in that there’s been continuity with the same characters for a while. I mean if Eddie Jones wasn’t coaching England he would be a good person to give feedback on our game but that’s an if.
And from what I have seen NZ is one of few countries where you get a few chasing the job. Who stood against Eddie Jones etc? Warren Gatland say he has never applied for a coaching job, they were all offered to him, he says he doesn't have a cv or anything.
Maybe the locals are too scared of the opportunity or potential future liability that comes with the job if they lose. That’s interesting.
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@nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks 2022:
our leading most experienced coaches are not in NZ.
It's an easy thing to say, but how about some names? Jamie Joseph I think could be handy.....who else?
Schmidt is already in. Gatland?
The more involvement he has the worse the Chiefs are. When MacMillan has been in charge they look a much better team. Maybe his NH style doesn't work for our players?
IIRC, Gatland wasn't all that rated by many Welsh fans up to 2017 with his style of play being derided as "Warrenball", but he won 4 6N's has been relatively successful with the Lions.
Now he's full-time with the Chiefs we'll be able to see how good he is in SR and how he goes with the team over the next year.
