Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I hope you're right though and we're close to "clicking"
i didn't say that, at all
sorry, must have misunderstood, i asked if we'd pinched a few wins would that be enough for fozzie to be considered to be doing a good job and you said yes, i took that as being only close to being acceptable
Winning lots is his only remit. The only metric that counts. The manner of those wins counts to fans and fuck all else.
So yeah, if we burgled those wins i would say he did pretty well
I never said we were close to clicking though. Beating Ireland that day would have been a robbery.
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@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I hope you're right though and we're close to "clicking"
i didn't say that, at all
sorry, must have misunderstood, i asked if we'd pinched a few wins would that be enough for fozzie to be considered to be doing a good job and you said yes, i took that as being only close to being acceptable
Winning lots is his only remit. The only metric that counts. The manner of those wins counts to fans and fuck all else.
So yeah, if we burgled those wins i would say he did pretty well
I never said we were close to clicking though. Beating Ireland that day would have been a robbery.
It is better this way. If we had burgled wins vs Ireland or France it would have given the NZRFU and the AB coaches priceless breathing room. And a chance to paper over our flaws
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@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
To be fair, from our 2nd try right up until the intercept i thought we would win on Sunday.
24-6 down at halftime is the issue. It's all well and good talking about the 3rd quarter fightback but 24-6 down at halftime is unacceptable and ultimately costs you the match as the opposition are going to get momentum in the second half and by being 24-6 down you are leaving no room for error and no able to apply scoreboard pressure as were so far back were never able to get in front.
There's been a lot of chat about the intercept and the Mounga missed tackle but how about the shitshow that was the first 40?
again, as a coach can you imagine sitting in the box, and the game is barely under way when Jordie kicks the ball, under no pressure, out on the 5m?? Or Barnes allowing a linebreak from an accidental offside/obstruction? Or Mounga for some ungodly reason following a lead runner in and leaving a yawning hole. Or Smith throwing one of the worst passes of his career?
We get down teh other end, the line is open, and Coles drops it
Individual errors cost us so badly in that first half.
To me the Ireland performance was so much worse because we were bullied out of it. Errors killed us against the French. Bad, individual skill errors.
I've made a massive post about my view on where we are at, i don't need to say it all again. But i am not convinced things are as bad as we are making out.
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@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
Highlander, over on theroar.com.au has pointed out that our blueprint of Lions 1, playing (smashing) off 9 worked so very well. I seem to remember a similar thing putting us back on top against the French for a 1/4 or so. Why is it not used more often? Why is the tactic fling it around the backs? Clueless gameplans is what annoys me, we have the layers to be winning but not the tactics and org. It is 100% coaching problems, not learning
Yep, I don't get this. It's like they found the perfect recipe and then for some inexplicable reason decided to bin it. It may be that it's more attritional but it's not like the opposition teams are saving themselves at any point during the game. We have the players for it so let's farking do it, rather than this fan across field, hot potato bullshit to George Bridge.
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Ouch
All Blacks set a new record
Not so much the 101 tries, more the unprecedented number of excuses rolled out by Foster...
The end-of-year tours: What we learned
Analysis - A few days after the end of the All Blacks' and Black Ferns' season, it's not so much a case of dust settling as nuclear fallout, Jamie Wall writes.
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@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan thats what i was getting at but the sarcasm seems to have been too subtle
On the Fern? Too subtle? As if that ever happened!
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@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan thats what i was getting at but the sarcasm seems to have been too subtle
On the Fern? Too subtle? As if that ever happened!
no, i seriously think i was too subtle.......
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@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan thats what i was getting at but the sarcasm seems to have been too subtle
On the Fern? Too subtle? As if that ever happened!
no, i serious think i i was too subtle.......
(I think I am being out sarchasm-ed).
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@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan thats what i was getting at but the sarcasm seems to have been too subtle
On the Fern? Too subtle? As if that ever happened!
no, i seriously think i was too subtle.......
We got it, we just wondered how far you would go. I was going to suggest that Whitelock was next...
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@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan thats what i was getting at but the sarcasm seems to have been too subtle
On the Fern? Too subtle? As if that ever happened!
no, i seriously think i was too subtle.......
We got it, we just wondered how far you would go. I was going to suggest that Whitelock was next...
We should let him think we didn't get it. If being too subtle on TSF (the place where tired memes come to die) is a mark of sophisticated cunning, best let him enjoy that sense of achievement.
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@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan thats what i was getting at but the sarcasm seems to have been too subtle
On the Fern? Too subtle? As if that ever happened!
no, i seriously think i was too subtle.......
We got it, we just wondered how far you would go. I was going to suggest that Whitelock was next...
We should let him think we didn't get it. If being too subtle on TSF (the place where tired memes come to die) is a mark of sophisticated cunning, best let him enjoy that sense of achievement.
Now I feel like I've slapped a little baby panda.
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@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan thats what i was getting at but the sarcasm seems to have been too subtle
On the Fern? Too subtle? As if that ever happened!
no, i seriously think i was too subtle.......
We got it, we just wondered how far you would go. I was going to suggest that Whitelock was next...
We should let him think we didn't get it. If being too subtle on TSF (the place where tired memes come to die) is a mark of sophisticated cunning, best let him enjoy that sense of achievement.
Now I feel like I've slapped a little baby panda.
Don't feel sorry for me, we have the biggest enclosures and the best international matchmakers.
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@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
To be fair, from our 2nd try right up until the intercept i thought we would win on Sunday.
The week before we were a couple of degrees on a forward pass from winning.
Our loss to SA was a very late penalty (so was our win to be fair)
so for all our wailing and gnashing of teeth, and issues we can all see, a couple of better moments from players and we are unbeaten all year.
Isn't that the source of the frustration, though? That despite being soundly beaten in pure rugby terms, we were still close on the scoreboard. Which makes one think how good we could be if we were well-coached and selected.
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@junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
To be fair, from our 2nd try right up until the intercept i thought we would win on Sunday.
The week before we were a couple of degrees on a forward pass from winning.
Our loss to SA was a very late penalty (so was our win to be fair)
so for all our wailing and gnashing of teeth, and issues we can all see, a couple of better moments from players and we are unbeaten all year.
Isn't that the source of the frustration, though? That despite being soundly beaten in pure rugby terms, we were still close on the scoreboard. Which makes one think how good we could be if we were well-coached and selected.
Maybe.
For me it is seeing the same mistakes again and again being more and more mercilessly exploited by the other teams' coaching staff while Foster says his team is progressing and is still inexperienced (but often older than other teams). -
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@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I hope you're right though and we're close to "clicking"
i didn't say that, at all
sorry, must have misunderstood, i asked if we'd pinched a few wins would that be enough for fozzie to be considered to be doing a good job and you said yes, i took that as being only close to being acceptable
Winning lots is his only remit. The only metric that counts. The manner of those wins counts to fans and fuck all else.
So yeah, if we burgled those wins i would say he did pretty well
I never said we were close to clicking though. Beating Ireland that day would have been a robbery.
It is better this way. If we had burgled wins vs Ireland or France it would have given the NZRFU and the AB coaches priceless breathing room. And a chance to paper over our flaws
This sort of thing gets said a lot but unless you are close to the action I don’t think we really know what gets “papered over” or “emphasised”.
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@act-crusader said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I hope you're right though and we're close to "clicking"
i didn't say that, at all
sorry, must have misunderstood, i asked if we'd pinched a few wins would that be enough for fozzie to be considered to be doing a good job and you said yes, i took that as being only close to being acceptable
Winning lots is his only remit. The only metric that counts. The manner of those wins counts to fans and fuck all else.
So yeah, if we burgled those wins i would say he did pretty well
I never said we were close to clicking though. Beating Ireland that day would have been a robbery.
It is better this way. If we had burgled wins vs Ireland or France it would have given the NZRFU and the AB coaches priceless breathing room. And a chance to paper over our flaws
This sort of thing gets said a lot but unless you are close to the action I don’t think we really know what gets “papered over” or “emphasised”.
That never stopped us making inferences before! This is the fern for God's sake....
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@act-crusader said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I hope you're right though and we're close to "clicking"
i didn't say that, at all
sorry, must have misunderstood, i asked if we'd pinched a few wins would that be enough for fozzie to be considered to be doing a good job and you said yes, i took that as being only close to being acceptable
Winning lots is his only remit. The only metric that counts. The manner of those wins counts to fans and fuck all else.
So yeah, if we burgled those wins i would say he did pretty well
I never said we were close to clicking though. Beating Ireland that day would have been a robbery.
It is better this way. If we had burgled wins vs Ireland or France it would have given the NZRFU and the AB coaches priceless breathing room. And a chance to paper over our flaws
This sort of thing gets said a lot but unless you are close to the action I don’t think we really know what gets “papered over” or “emphasised”.
I do. In your AB team selections there is always one element emphasized!
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@act-crusader said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I hope you're right though and we're close to "clicking"
i didn't say that, at all
sorry, must have misunderstood, i asked if we'd pinched a few wins would that be enough for fozzie to be considered to be doing a good job and you said yes, i took that as being only close to being acceptable
Winning lots is his only remit. The only metric that counts. The manner of those wins counts to fans and fuck all else.
So yeah, if we burgled those wins i would say he did pretty well
I never said we were close to clicking though. Beating Ireland that day would have been a robbery.
It is better this way. If we had burgled wins vs Ireland or France it would have given the NZRFU and the AB coaches priceless breathing room. And a chance to paper over our flaws
This sort of thing gets said a lot but unless you are close to the action I don’t think we really know what gets “papered over” or “emphasised”.
I don't think that's what he meant. Papered over to the public is more to the point. Which is a very fair point, and I agree that it's better for us to lose and show our weaknesses, than win through some individual magic and have the top brass singing Foster's praises.
Although losing hasn't stopped them doing so either, so it seems.
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@delicatessen said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@act-crusader said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I hope you're right though and we're close to "clicking"
i didn't say that, at all
sorry, must have misunderstood, i asked if we'd pinched a few wins would that be enough for fozzie to be considered to be doing a good job and you said yes, i took that as being only close to being acceptable
Winning lots is his only remit. The only metric that counts. The manner of those wins counts to fans and fuck all else.
So yeah, if we burgled those wins i would say he did pretty well
I never said we were close to clicking though. Beating Ireland that day would have been a robbery.
It is better this way. If we had burgled wins vs Ireland or France it would have given the NZRFU and the AB coaches priceless breathing room. And a chance to paper over our flaws
This sort of thing gets said a lot but unless you are close to the action I don’t think we really know what gets “papered over” or “emphasised”.
I don't think that's what he meant. Papered over to the public is more to the point. Which is a very fair point, and I agree that it's better for us to lose and show our weaknesses, than win through some individual magic and have the top brass singing Foster's praises.
Although losing hasn't stopped them doing so either, so it seems.
Are you saying that the coaches should come out after every game and highlight the weaknesses/errors? comments made to the media is a game and in my view we shouldn’t be expecting any in-depth analysis from the coaches or players.
