Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
Not sure where to put this.
Wrong thread http://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/2149/stupid-shit-you-see-on-the-internet/1399
FFS not a single bit of decent opposition and they sign him off - 2020 was an annus horribilis but that's OK. Bunch of incompetent fluffybunnies
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Am ok (sort of) with them retaining Fozzie, Plums and Feek but why the hell is McLeod still there?
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@kiwimurph I honestly could not see them doing anything different, the current environment has made his job even tougher.
That said, woulda thought they coulda waited until post TRC to give the illusion that results mattered.
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When they signed Robertson for 3 years (with an outclause), it was clear to me this was going to happen. It's very disappointing nevertheless.
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taniwharugbyreplied to Stargazer on 24 Aug 2021, 00:30 last edited by taniwharugby 24 Aug 2021, 00:30
@stargazer you'd like to think, that had we lost to Fiji and Aus they wouldn't have re-signed him.
But I've been of the view the decision was made weeks/months ago to re-sign him (or not, turns out it was to re-sign)
What happens if we lose to SA, Arg, Wales?
His record is shakey already, and makes NZR look unprofessional again re-signing him, while he still has half a dozen or so games to win/lose
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At least his replacement will have a full world cup cycle to fix the damage.
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@kiwimurph It's the pretence there's an actual process that irritates. No waiting to see if losing to Argentina is the highlight of his team's coaching capacity.
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@kiwimurph said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Not sure where to put this.
There used to be an April Fools thread somewhere once.
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To be fair there's no real options, after such little rugby with covid interruptions it's hard to make a convincing case otherwise, though admittedly 2020 was a nightmare season.
Regardless if we look at the options Gatland crashed with the Lions, Rennie's wallbies are just as bad if not worse than their predecessors...his main opposition don't appear to be any better...
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They should give Robertson the reigns of the All Blacks XV, let him pick all the young fringe ABs, and give them games the next two years. Many players in that squad will go on to become All Blacks and play the 2027 RWC.
That would make it a smooth transition.
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I’m not surprised,
I didn’t think they would sack him which would make it look like they are the basket cases for appointing him then sacking him so soon after . And I can kind of get that , stability and all that .
But I still think they got it wrong in the first place .
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not surprised
at least there is a chance the world will be back to normal for his replacement
the only thing worse would be someone 'better' coming in but all the covid shit ruins their tenure
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The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
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@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
and so he should be.
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@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
Yeah, it would really suck if we won the World Cup!
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@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
More than happy with that happening, I will eat humble pie and apologise
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@tim said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
Yeah, it would really suck if we won the World Cup!
Canes4life just wrote weirdest post I have seen in ages.
And I bet if they go on a record winning streak they will lengthen it even longer for crying out loud! No Brains that NZR
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@machpants said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
More than happy with that hairy, I will eat humble pie and apologise
I will be pleased for Fozzie to prove us wrong by going on to win Le Coupe du Monde
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@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
I can't see us winning the WC under the muppet clown show.
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@kiwimurph said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Not sure where to put this.
In the Shitter were it belongs
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@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
He'd retire job done IMO.
I don't see that bring Razor in now increases our RWC chances that much to be fair.
It isn't as if Foster and co are ignoring players that should be there and any poor periods have been attributed by the players themselves as down to not following instructions.
My belief is that, at present, our problems are mainly down to getting experience and test level combos established. Changing things up now won't help that.
The game itself is also n a funny place laws wise and we have to adapt ourselves to that. Just as SA found that trying to play a style that didn't suit them didn't work, the ABs trying to play a power game won't work either. -
To be fair there wasn't it reported an unnamed NZRU board member told a journo during the 2003 RWC that Mitchell was gone at the end of the tournament. When asked "But what if they win?" The reply was something to the effect of "I don't see that complicating things".
Could be apocraphyl.
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@hooroo I didn't say it would suck winning the WC, I was eluding to the fact that if we win the World Cup we will have to endure another lengthy period of shit selections and underwhelming coaching if he carries on in the role.
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@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@hooroo I didn't say it would suck winning the WC, I was eluding to the fact that if we win the World Cup we will have to endure another lengthy period of shit selections and underwhelming coaching if he carries on in the role.
I know. But it will all be the right choices made if he wins the WC, therefore deserving of extension.
Kind of like rewarding good results....
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Thank goodness this has been sorted at last. The coaching team have worn a lot on their shoulders through extremely difficult times. Must be very hard selecting, testing and motivating when you think each match may be your last, instead of trying to build the strongest squad and combinations for the next 2 years or more.
It is great to see the team spirit flourishing, and bodes well. Well done NZRU in getting this sorted before the team departs.
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I'd be more worried if they extend Foster's contract again, if he does NOT win the 2023 RWC. And the latter is far more likely to happen.
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@hooroo said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@hooroo I didn't say it would suck winning the WC, I was eluding to the fact that if we win the World Cup we will have to endure another lengthy period of shit selections and underwhelming coaching if he carries on in the role.
I know. But it will all be the right choices made if he wins the WC, therefore deserving of extension.
Kind of like rewarding good results....
England 2007 were a couple of centimeters away from winning the thing, despite being an absolute pile of steaming, negative, shit. RWC performance doesn't always correlate with actual quality of the team or coaching.
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The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
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@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
As the press release mentions alot about building culture and stuff, I am sure the echo chamber that is the ABs (where it's relly hard to get dropped) is positive to Foster. However he has been barely tested with his opponents, and even then lost to Argetina in a dire effort - which should have been a firing result
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@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
I'm not sure of this. The evidence is that Foster is an extremely likeable person and players like him. He never faced any issues with the Chiefs, even when they came second last.
In some cases there have been useless coaches that get player support precisely because it allows the players to do what they want.
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@machpants Shand is higher up the food chain at NZR than Foster (and Hansen was) as he is part of the Executive Team. His job security is not dependent on Foster keeping his position.
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@nzzp said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@hooroo said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@hooroo I didn't say it would suck winning the WC, I was eluding to the fact that if we win the World Cup we will have to endure another lengthy period of shit selections and underwhelming coaching if he carries on in the role.
I know. But it will all be the right choices made if he wins the WC, therefore deserving of extension.
Kind of like rewarding good results....
England 2007 were a couple of centimeters away from winning the thing, despite being an absolute pile of steaming, negative, shit. RWC performance doesn't always correlate with actual quality of the team or coaching.
Yeah but we live and die by it nowadays (Not that I like that)
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@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@machpants Shand is higher up the food chain at NZR than Foster (and Hansen was) as he is part of the Executive Team. His job security is not dependent on Foster keeping his position.
I was more talking about the players, as mentioned a good environment does not mean good coach. Still the proof will be in the pudding if SA turn up full bore to the RC, and France play to their max.
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@machpants said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
As the press release mentions alot about building culture and stuff, I am sure the echo chamber that is the ABs (where it's relly hard to get dropped) is positive to Foster. However he has been barely tested with his opponents, and even then lost to Argetina in a dire effort - which should have been a firing result
It's a farcical decision.
So far Foster's been 'tested' by the weakest & most inexperienced Wallabies 23's in his own entire lifetime & an 8th ranked Argentinian side.
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@machpants thing is, these guys are all elite rugby players having worked with multiple coaches getting to this point, I expect if he is a shit coach but a great guy, they would know the difference.
We can all sit here and point fingers, but you have to assume there has been a fair bit of work done behind the scenes despite us thinking it is Robinson, Fozzie and Shand getting it sorted over some beers
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@taniwharugby said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@machpants thing is, these guys are all elite rugby players having worked with multiple coaches getting to this point, I expect if he is a shit coach but a great guy, they would know the difference.
We can all sit here and point fingers, but you have to assume there has been a fair bit of work done behind the scenes despite us thinking it is Robinson, Fozzie and Shand getting it sorted over some beers
Yeah I do, but the results are not good enough and culture is pointless if the results don't follow. Sure if th ABs clean sweep with physicality and directness for the rest of the year, they were right. But if the ABs play like they have under Foster, and the last few years of Hansen, flaky, fluffy, and fucking inconsistant then it was the wrong decision. Leaving the decision until the end of the year would have been the right option, even after SA as every other opponent we have faced since the RWC has been shit.
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I think he deserves a chance to see where he can take this side. Its been a tad underwhelming since far, but there have been some improvements within the side and we're slowly but surely heading in the right direction imo.
I feel like no matter what he does, he'll always be disliked.
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