Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
I can't see us winning the WC under the muppet clown show.
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@kiwimurph said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Not sure where to put this.
In the Shitter were it belongs
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@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The thing is, if we win the World Cup he will most likely be reinstated again. Ffs.
He'd retire job done IMO.
I don't see that bring Razor in now increases our RWC chances that much to be fair.
It isn't as if Foster and co are ignoring players that should be there and any poor periods have been attributed by the players themselves as down to not following instructions.
My belief is that, at present, our problems are mainly down to getting experience and test level combos established. Changing things up now won't help that.
The game itself is also n a funny place laws wise and we have to adapt ourselves to that. Just as SA found that trying to play a style that didn't suit them didn't work, the ABs trying to play a power game won't work either. -
To be fair there wasn't it reported an unnamed NZRU board member told a journo during the 2003 RWC that Mitchell was gone at the end of the tournament. When asked "But what if they win?" The reply was something to the effect of "I don't see that complicating things".
Could be apocraphyl.
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@hooroo I didn't say it would suck winning the WC, I was eluding to the fact that if we win the World Cup we will have to endure another lengthy period of shit selections and underwhelming coaching if he carries on in the role.
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@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@hooroo I didn't say it would suck winning the WC, I was eluding to the fact that if we win the World Cup we will have to endure another lengthy period of shit selections and underwhelming coaching if he carries on in the role.
I know. But it will all be the right choices made if he wins the WC, therefore deserving of extension.
Kind of like rewarding good results....
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Thank goodness this has been sorted at last. The coaching team have worn a lot on their shoulders through extremely difficult times. Must be very hard selecting, testing and motivating when you think each match may be your last, instead of trying to build the strongest squad and combinations for the next 2 years or more.
It is great to see the team spirit flourishing, and bodes well. Well done NZRU in getting this sorted before the team departs.
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@hooroo said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@hooroo I didn't say it would suck winning the WC, I was eluding to the fact that if we win the World Cup we will have to endure another lengthy period of shit selections and underwhelming coaching if he carries on in the role.
I know. But it will all be the right choices made if he wins the WC, therefore deserving of extension.
Kind of like rewarding good results....
England 2007 were a couple of centimeters away from winning the thing, despite being an absolute pile of steaming, negative, shit. RWC performance doesn't always correlate with actual quality of the team or coaching.
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@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
As the press release mentions alot about building culture and stuff, I am sure the echo chamber that is the ABs (where it's relly hard to get dropped) is positive to Foster. However he has been barely tested with his opponents, and even then lost to Argetina in a dire effort - which should have been a firing result
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@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
I'm not sure of this. The evidence is that Foster is an extremely likeable person and players like him. He never faced any issues with the Chiefs, even when they came second last.
In some cases there have been useless coaches that get player support precisely because it allows the players to do what they want.
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@machpants Shand is higher up the food chain at NZR than Foster (and Hansen was) as he is part of the Executive Team. His job security is not dependent on Foster keeping his position.
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@nzzp said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@hooroo said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canes4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@hooroo I didn't say it would suck winning the WC, I was eluding to the fact that if we win the World Cup we will have to endure another lengthy period of shit selections and underwhelming coaching if he carries on in the role.
I know. But it will all be the right choices made if he wins the WC, therefore deserving of extension.
Kind of like rewarding good results....
England 2007 were a couple of centimeters away from winning the thing, despite being an absolute pile of steaming, negative, shit. RWC performance doesn't always correlate with actual quality of the team or coaching.
Yeah but we live and die by it nowadays (Not that I like that)
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@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@machpants Shand is higher up the food chain at NZR than Foster (and Hansen was) as he is part of the Executive Team. His job security is not dependent on Foster keeping his position.
I was more talking about the players, as mentioned a good environment does not mean good coach. Still the proof will be in the pudding if SA turn up full bore to the RC, and France play to their max.
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@machpants said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@bovidae said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
The senior players (and Shand) would have been asked for feedback and I doubt this decision would have been made now if their opinions were overwhelmingly negative.
As the press release mentions alot about building culture and stuff, I am sure the echo chamber that is the ABs (where it's relly hard to get dropped) is positive to Foster. However he has been barely tested with his opponents, and even then lost to Argetina in a dire effort - which should have been a firing result
It's a farcical decision.
So far Foster's been 'tested' by the weakest & most inexperienced Wallabies 23's in his own entire lifetime & an 8th ranked Argentinian side.
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@machpants thing is, these guys are all elite rugby players having worked with multiple coaches getting to this point, I expect if he is a shit coach but a great guy, they would know the difference.
We can all sit here and point fingers, but you have to assume there has been a fair bit of work done behind the scenes despite us thinking it is Robinson, Fozzie and Shand getting it sorted over some beers
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@taniwharugby said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@machpants thing is, these guys are all elite rugby players having worked with multiple coaches getting to this point, I expect if he is a shit coach but a great guy, they would know the difference.
We can all sit here and point fingers, but you have to assume there has been a fair bit of work done behind the scenes despite us thinking it is Robinson, Fozzie and Shand getting it sorted over some beers
Yeah I do, but the results are not good enough and culture is pointless if the results don't follow. Sure if th ABs clean sweep with physicality and directness for the rest of the year, they were right. But if the ABs play like they have under Foster, and the last few years of Hansen, flaky, fluffy, and fucking inconsistant then it was the wrong decision. Leaving the decision until the end of the year would have been the right option, even after SA as every other opponent we have faced since the RWC has been shit.
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I think he deserves a chance to see where he can take this side. Its been a tad underwhelming since far, but there have been some improvements within the side and we're slowly but surely heading in the right direction imo.
I feel like no matter what he does, he'll always be disliked.
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@african-monkey not sure about 'deserves' a chance, but by the same token, I think there have been alot of disruptions to his time that it would be pretty harsh to can him before he has had a good chance to really 'own' things
