Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@kiwiwomble said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@canefan yeah, his biggest criticism is that he's settling on a several people lots of us would have picked last year
Or maybe he identified areas where improvement was required, and made those players work on them, to increase the capability, depth and competitiveness for every jersey? But, no, only an astute coach would do that...
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@antipodean said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.Well you say that, but Argentina scored points against the Boks. Oz beat them.
So what if Arg scored a couple of points against the Boks. They are rubbish at the moment. An comfortable win against them is absolutely the minimum required standard for the ABs. One that wasn’t achieved last year.
As for Aus beating the Boks, that is pretty much standard for the last 20 years isn’t it? The Boks have always struggled in Aus.
Doesn’t change the fact that Bok style and players will be a bigger test of where the ABs are than the teams we have played over the last 2 years.
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@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@antipodean said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.Well you say that, but Argentina scored points against the Boks. Oz beat them.
So what if Arg scored a couple of points against the Boks. They are rubbish at the moment. An comfortable win against them is absolutely the minimum required standard for the ABs. One that wasn’t achieved last year.
As for Aus beating the Boks, that is pretty much standard for the last 20 years isn’t it? The Boks have always struggled in Aus.
Doesn’t change the fact that Bok style and players will be a bigger test of where the ABs are than the teams we have played over the last 2 years.
Again; I'm pointing out based on form the Boks won't be much of a test.
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@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams.
Yeah and then when we beat them, judgement can't be made until we play Japan and Canada and then after that, well Foster hasn't beaten the moon has he!
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Foz has made plenty of comment that last year's AB campaign was pretty short and rushed so I think that played a lot into his selections.
He basically tried to shoehorn as much experience into the side as possible (Jordie on the wing, Goodhue to 12 etc).
This season now that they've had a more 'normal' test season his selections are much different.
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@kiwimurph said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Foz has made plenty of comment that last year's AB campaign was pretty short and rushed so I think that played a lot into his selections.
He basically tried to shoehorn as much experience into the side as possible (Jordie on the wing, Goodhue to 12 etc).
This season now that they've had a more 'normal' test season his selections are much different.
There was loads of talk from the coaches last year about improving the physicality and playing players in their specialist positions, which we then saw nothing of, which was insanely frustrating. Selections this year have been much better, and the pack is really getting into their work now. Happy to give Foster credit for that.
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@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@antipodean said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.Well you say that, but Argentina scored points against the Boks. Oz beat them.
. An comfortable win against them is absolutely the minimum required standard for the ABs. One that wasn’t achieved last year.
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So far I've seen a big improvement on last year. The forward pack is significantly more physical and accurate, and that's been without Moody and Tu'ungufasi.
One on one tackling has been better, and defensive pattern seems to be improving now too.
I'm coming around to Foster and his team.
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2020: We lose to a fresh and resolute Argentina and by 2 points to Australia...he's no Scott Robertson!
2021: We beat Fiji (after a struggle), Tonga C, a hapless Wallaby side that can't even kick conversions, then depleted, weakened Argentina team, out of quarantine, away from their grass-fed beef, 1 point more than our last game against them. We're saved! -
@nostrildamus said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
2020: We lose to a fresh and resolute Argentina and by 2 points to Australia...he's no Scott Robertson!
2021: We beat Fiji (after a struggle), Tonga C, a hapless Wallaby side that can't even kick conversions, then depleted, weakened Argentina team, out of quarantine, away from their grass-fed beef, 1 point more than our last game against them. We're saved!Talking about the ABs there…
No Ofa, Taylor, Coles, Whitelock, Cane, Savea, Smith, Mo’unga, Goodhue, ALB.
Salvation!
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@act-crusader disgusting that you left out Luatua.
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@act-crusader said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@nostrildamus said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
2020: We lose to a fresh and resolute Argentina and by 2 points to Australia...he's no Scott Robertson!
2021: We beat Fiji (after a struggle), Tonga C, a hapless Wallaby side that can't even kick conversions, then depleted, weakened Argentina team, out of quarantine, away from their grass-fed beef, 1 point more than our last game against them. We're saved!
No Ofa, Taylor, Coles, Whitelock, Cane, Savea, Smith, Mo’unga, Goodhue, ALB.
Salvation!Maybe that was the improvement, have a look at the photo, Goodhue, Whitelock, Taylor...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/300159746/all-blacks-v-argentina-how-it-went-so-wrong-for-new-zealand-in-sydney -
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@machpants said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
I’m totally reserving judgement until the end of the year.
Just like the NZR board fucking should have.
ouchy ouch. At least in the quality of their decision-making they have been consistent ...
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@antipodean said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@antipodean said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.Well you say that, but Argentina scored points against the Boks. Oz beat them.
So what if Arg scored a couple of points against the Boks. They are rubbish at the moment. An comfortable win against them is absolutely the minimum required standard for the ABs. One that wasn’t achieved last year.
As for Aus beating the Boks, that is pretty much standard for the last 20 years isn’t it? The Boks have always struggled in Aus.
Doesn’t change the fact that Bok style and players will be a bigger test of where the ABs are than the teams we have played over the last 2 years.
Again; I'm pointing out based on form the Boks won't be much of a test.
You are completely missing the definition of the word test.
ie. trying something and see what the result is so you can come to informed conclusions.
Maybe the result of the boks games tells us we are much better than them. Great. I want to see some actual evidence of that before claiming superiority via some pathetic ‘we beat them and they beat you so we are therefore better than you’ type crap.Easy wins against lower ranked teams mean nothing when measuring yourself against higher ranked teams.
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@booboo said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@antipodean said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Let’s not forget that we have only played against a club player filled Tonga, Fiji, a historically poor Wallabies and a defence only Argentina.
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams. Hopefully the trend of not making stupid selections and not using stupid tactics continues.
Still got concerns over our discipline, scrum and lineout.Well you say that, but Argentina scored points against the Boks. Oz beat them.
. An comfortable win against them is absolutely the minimum required standard for the ABs. One that wasn’t achieved last year.
I guess you missed the other game where they beat us for the first time ever? That failure doesn’t get erased by the next game. That standard applies to every game.
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@bones said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
I don’t think any proper judgement can be made until we play the Boks and some of the NH teams.
Yeah and then when we beat them, judgement can't be made until we play Japan and Canada and then after that, well Foster hasn't beaten the moon has he!
Don’t know why im bothering to reply to this rubbish but here goes.
Are Japan and Canada ranked above us?
Are they current world champs?
Have they beaten us at any point in our last few games?Do you really need this concept explained to you?
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@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Beating shit teams means nothing.
who are the good teams?
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@mariner4life said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
@pukunui said in Foster signs 2 year extension:
Beating shit teams means nothing.
who are the good teams?
You know, those ones, those good teams. Those ones that never lose, that are always physical, that overpower opposition forwards. You know those ones.
