All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug
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@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Tupou didnt seem that agrieved when HoooooPaaaa asked him, though
Stoic
‘Just another ref being a dick?’?
Not being a dick, just not knowing how scrums work. You really have to ask how Williams makes that call with no backwards motion anywhere until the AB front row collapsed.
Here are the events - no screen shots or red arrows
because it is all on the game clock per Stan's coverage:55:42 - scrum engages and ball is fed.
55:47 - Williams points to McDermott to use it as everything is stationary.
55:48 - Tupou moves his outside foot to a narrower position to counter Karl's slight inward drive. Important to note here that Tupou's body position does NOT change - his leg extenstion is still about the same, knee slightly bent. I can tell he hasn't moved, because Williams hasn't budged since it was fed, and they're still level. Tupou holds this position for a good couple of seconds; he's stable, shoulders above hips, and under pressure, but holding it.
55:50 - All Black hooker's knees hit the deck. After a slight upward drive, Karl follows him down - all Wallaby forwards are on their feet but taken to ground down and back by the direction of the fall.
55:52 - Williams blows the whistle.It was a rubbish call given all available evidence.
EDIT: further, it was a big momentum change - Wallabies go from 30ish metres out, midfield scrum, to conceding a try 2 minutes later. You're going to get the odd bad call, but that was a bad call.
There’s no indication whatsoever that you’re in lockdown.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Tupou didnt seem that agrieved when HoooooPaaaa asked him, though
Stoic
‘Just another ref being a dick?’?
Not being a dick, just not knowing how scrums work. You really have to ask how Williams makes that call with no backwards motion anywhere until the AB front row collapsed.
Here are the events - no screen shots or red arrows
because it is all on the game clock per Stan's coverage:55:42 - scrum engages and ball is fed.
55:47 - Williams points to McDermott to use it as everything is stationary.
55:48 - Tupou moves his outside foot to a narrower position to counter Karl's slight inward drive. Important to note here that Tupou's body position does NOT change - his leg extenstion is still about the same, knee slightly bent. I can tell he hasn't moved, because Williams hasn't budged since it was fed, and they're still level. Tupou holds this position for a good couple of seconds; he's stable, shoulders above hips, and under pressure, but holding it.
55:50 - All Black hooker's knees hit the deck. After a slight upward drive, Karl follows him down - all Wallaby forwards are on their feet but taken to ground down and back by the direction of the fall.
55:52 - Williams blows the whistle.It was a rubbish call given all available evidence.
EDIT: further, it was a big momentum change - Wallabies go from 30ish metres out, midfield scrum, to conceding a try 2 minutes later. You're going to get the odd bad call, but that was a bad call.
There’s no indication whatsoever that you’re in lockdown.
I have a very small backyard and a relatively new house with no handyman requirements just now.
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@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Tupou didnt seem that agrieved when HoooooPaaaa asked him, though
Stoic
‘Just another ref being a dick?’?
Not being a dick, just not knowing how scrums work. You really have to ask how Williams makes that call with no backwards motion anywhere until the AB front row collapsed.
Here are the events - no screen shots or red arrows
because it is all on the game clock per Stan's coverage:55:42 - scrum engages and ball is fed.
55:47 - Williams points to McDermott to use it as everything is stationary.
55:48 - Tupou moves his outside foot to a narrower position to counter Karl's slight inward drive. Important to note here that Tupou's body position does NOT change - his leg extenstion is still about the same, knee slightly bent. I can tell he hasn't moved, because Williams hasn't budged since it was fed, and they're still level. Tupou holds this position for a good couple of seconds; he's stable, shoulders above hips, and under pressure, but holding it.
55:50 - All Black hooker's knees hit the deck. After a slight upward drive, Karl follows him down - all Wallaby forwards are on their feet but taken to ground down and back by the direction of the fall.
55:52 - Williams blows the whistle.It was a rubbish call given all available evidence.
EDIT: further, it was a big momentum change - Wallabies go from 30ish metres out, midfield scrum, to conceding a try 2 minutes later. You're going to get the odd bad call, but that was a bad call.
There’s no indication whatsoever that you’re in lockdown.
I have a very small backyard and a relatively new house with no handyman requirements just now.
I understand. I was in lockdown for a week and got excited by the Coles weekly specials.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Tupou didnt seem that agrieved when HoooooPaaaa asked him, though
Stoic
‘Just another ref being a dick?’?
Not being a dick, just not knowing how scrums work. You really have to ask how Williams makes that call with no backwards motion anywhere until the AB front row collapsed.
Here are the events - no screen shots or red arrows
because it is all on the game clock per Stan's coverage:55:42 - scrum engages and ball is fed.
55:47 - Williams points to McDermott to use it as everything is stationary.
55:48 - Tupou moves his outside foot to a narrower position to counter Karl's slight inward drive. Important to note here that Tupou's body position does NOT change - his leg extenstion is still about the same, knee slightly bent. I can tell he hasn't moved, because Williams hasn't budged since it was fed, and they're still level. Tupou holds this position for a good couple of seconds; he's stable, shoulders above hips, and under pressure, but holding it.
55:50 - All Black hooker's knees hit the deck. After a slight upward drive, Karl follows him down - all Wallaby forwards are on their feet but taken to ground down and back by the direction of the fall.
55:52 - Williams blows the whistle.It was a rubbish call given all available evidence.
EDIT: further, it was a big momentum change - Wallabies go from 30ish metres out, midfield scrum, to conceding a try 2 minutes later. You're going to get the odd bad call, but that was a bad call.
There’s no indication whatsoever that you’re in lockdown.
I have a very small backyard and a relatively new house with no handyman requirements just now.
I understand. I was in lockdown for a week and got excited by the Coles weekly specials.
I'm looking to replace my 6yo Windows laptop at the moment. I could have just bought the first one that caught my eye, but I've been comparing frame rates on video cards for a week now...
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@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Tupou didnt seem that agrieved when HoooooPaaaa asked him, though
Stoic
‘Just another ref being a dick?’?
Not being a dick, just not knowing how scrums work. You really have to ask how Williams makes that call with no backwards motion anywhere until the AB front row collapsed.
Here are the events - no screen shots or red arrows
because it is all on the game clock per Stan's coverage:55:42 - scrum engages and ball is fed.
55:47 - Williams points to McDermott to use it as everything is stationary.
55:48 - Tupou moves his outside foot to a narrower position to counter Karl's slight inward drive. Important to note here that Tupou's body position does NOT change - his leg extenstion is still about the same, knee slightly bent. I can tell he hasn't moved, because Williams hasn't budged since it was fed, and they're still level. Tupou holds this position for a good couple of seconds; he's stable, shoulders above hips, and under pressure, but holding it.
55:50 - All Black hooker's knees hit the deck. After a slight upward drive, Karl follows him down - all Wallaby forwards are on their feet but taken to ground down and back by the direction of the fall.
55:52 - Williams blows the whistle.It was a rubbish call given all available evidence.
EDIT: further, it was a big momentum change - Wallabies go from 30ish metres out, midfield scrum, to conceding a try 2 minutes later. You're going to get the odd bad call, but that was a bad call. As happened a couple of times against France, the 9 should have just picked it up and made the play.
Tupou's body did 'bobble' a bit, but I generally agree.
9 ought have just to got it out.
Only thing I can say about ref is that, in the viewpoint I could see, ref was obscuring view of contact between front rows, and Williams was right there, so may have seen something else.
But long after the ball had gone back through scrum.
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@frank the omission of Reiko, Jordan as automatic wing and Havilli with another change to FB and then Goodhue at center? It seems like Chris was only looking at players that play in the red and black and I know he is stating that this is our best team if everyone available
and his preference. Jordan plays FB but we want all our wings to be FBs? Havilli is just settling in. Give him some time before we revert him. Goodhue is injured and even so I think he has been shown up at center for speed. I would be comfortable moving on. Enough rotation. My backs if healthy would be Smith, moaunga, Havilli, ALB (his best position), Reiko, JB and Clarke . JB plays well at FB. We only see him on the wing. Also while on the youth movement I would omit Cane and go with Paps, akira and Jacobsen. Ardie could play 7 too but is not an 8. Cane is getting old, is beat up and oft injured. Same with our locks especially Retallick who is was a penalty magnet on Saturday. In 3 years will they be there and up to it? -
@chris-b in terms of what is available, I think it is.
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@broughie Jordan has played at least as much wing as fullback in first class rugby. He's been behind Havili at both the Mako and the Crusaders and would have been playing mainly wing this year for the Crusaders if Ennor hadn't been broken and Havili conscripted to the midfield.
On Rieko - he's said he wants to play centre. He's spent the last couple of seasons playing centre. He's been picked in this squad as a centre. Like many, I think his best position is wing, but it seems he's a reluctant one.
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@taniwharugby Ah - what's currently available - you might be right.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Only thing I can say about ref is that, in the viewpoint I could see, ref was obscuring view of contact between front rows, and Williams was right there, so may have seen something else.
But long after the ball had gone back through scrum.That is something else I had considered - maybe he's seeing something on Slipper's side that caused him to think it was moving.
The slight upward bobble of Tupou is caused by Karl feeling Taylor collapse and trying to stay up IMHO. But as soon as he tries to drive he's overextended.
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I'm not going to read right through the thread but has it been mentioned about the ABs not looking to take advantage of the 50/22?
At HT when they talked to David Hill and posed the question he said that they thought the Wobs had more experience with it so they just decided to play what was in front of them.
I find that quite astounding. There is a trial rule that you can use to great advantage and you don't even look to use it? It isn't just the aspect of possibly getting an attacking lineout, the rule opens up ground at the back because you need two players covering the sides a bit more than usual and if you can pull the fullback one way you get fertile ground to chip and chase into. -
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
I'm not going to read right through the thread but has it been mentioned about the ABs not looking to take advantage of the 50/22?
At HT when they talked to David Hill and posed the question he said that they thought the Wobs had more experience with it so they just decided to play what was in front of them.
I find that quite astounding. There is a trial rule that you can use to great advantage and you don't even look to use it? It isn't just the aspect of possibly getting an attacking lineout, the rule opens up ground at the back because you need two players covering the sides a bit more than usual and if you can pull the fullback one way you get fertile ground to chip and chase into.The All Blacks tactics in this game and the first game in Welly last year just don't make sense.
Wind at your backs in the first half but spend most of the half trying to run it. Even more incentive this year to kick the corners and play the territory.
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I'm reading a really terrible novel at the moment, where I just can't suspend my disbelief as the terrible dialogue and hopelessly naive spy-craft jerk me out of it constantly.
Watching the length of the field non-try from this match reminded me of this reading experience.
It's really good rugby if you ignore the 2 forward passes and the shepherd, like the on-field ref wanted to do. Groaningly bad otherwise.
I can't enjoy rugby where protecting the flow trumps the reality of shit skills and obeying actual rules.
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On the disallowed try, it would be interesting if a team realised the presence of a missed forward pass or knock on and decided to take a tackle and reset instead of scoring a try.
It happened in the French series where the refs missed a relatively clear French knock-on before the ball was offloaded to the winger who scored a long-range try (subsequently called back for said knock-on). Had the last-ditch tackle attempt been successful then they may have scored a number of phases later with no issues, and the try would stand.
As far as missed forward passes go the Smith pass wasn't egregious, but weirdly once I saw it I was almost cheering for the ABs to score the try so we could come back for it.
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@broughie said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@chris-b Fair enough. I don’t see Will Jordan is being a better wing than Rico. And I’m still OK with Rico developing as a center so wing small c.
To be honest, it doesn't have to be an either/or. There's room for both - and for Caleb Clarke as well.
Most of last season we had Jordie occupying a wing, which ended up doing no-one many favours.
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I watched it a second time (amazing what one sees when not also on the Fern)..wow, Dalton P. really was in the thick of it, very effective tackling, so no wonder I never saw him, he was always at the bottom of the heap. And Akira looked solid, he and Dalton worked hard to stop some of their big boys. Would have been nice to see more turnovers though, arguably our loosies didn't work very well together and I thought I saw Ardie fumble at the back of a scrum.... We seem to have our locks attempt a lot of turnovers (more so than Australia?)
Smith was mostly top class as per usual (and he can pass the ball unlike the replacement Wallaby) but it was worrying to see BB, our second 10, the most experienced 10, come on and make bad decision after bad decision...
Australia were a different team in the last 8-10 minutes. I suspect it was mostly our loss of Smith and their experience coming off the bench but I was concerned their blue steel had such immediate impact and was it 12 points in the last 4 minutes?
In a telegraphed move that had Foster coaching genius written all over it (plan 2-3 master team plays a game, not teach them to how improvise and dominate) why was Ardie outside Rieko in the first half for that would-be team try down the sideline, shouldn't they have the specialist speedier 11 on the outside? I don't see them dropping Reece now, his workrate was great. Similar for DH, he made plenty of mistakes but had the most initiative in the backline.
If you don’t like JB at FB, it still seems open at 15. DMac so many skills, so many good things, but he doesn’t often build the team position (when he does, like the last game, it is magical but just not often enough) and still risks getting isolated. I was thinking back to Bender, how he always got the ball a few m forward and in a better position than when he caught it. Perhaps DMac gets paid by a shoe sponsor to run as many km sideways and backwards as possible. I also wonder if he has lost a bit of sting in his sidestep acceleration.
Another reason to watch again was to marvel at the shit ball ALB got and yet how often he tidied up for others. Perhaps not the offensive threat he normally is, but defensively was, if not the glue, then the vacuum cleaner.
Sam W had a good game but he looks tired. Are we overworking him? BBBR is really pushing the limit there, we could have had more penalties or even cards.
Subs: I do wonder if JB played particularly badly just to ensure he is not played out of position again. If I was a winger left out of the team I'd be fuming more than a hardcore fumigator.
I thought the overall kicking (apart from RM conversions/penalties etc) was poor from both sides. Lineouts, I was hoping they'd improve a little bit more, scratchy...
