Article: The Original Rugby Championship - Six Nations 2016
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<p>My understanding is that Marler apologized to Lee at half-time. Lee accepted his apology, the players kissed and made up and then went back to beating the shit out of each other on the rugby field. Why TF was that then not the end of it?</p>
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<p>Why TF was that then not the end of it?</p>
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<p>Because people now get offended on behalf of others and how easily someone is offended is directly proportional to how stupid they are.</p> -
<p>You have a section of people these days called social justice warriors who are in a constant state of rage and constantly looking for something to feed their rage. Thats why the Marler comment isn't going away. </p>
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<p>Gypsy is or was a normal name for a group that prefer to travel around. They're called travellers these days. Every few decades they have to be called a new name because their name is associated with negativity and so it becomes a bad word over time. Kind of like the words for mentally challenged people like retard, spastic, lunatic etc. Those words were once normal but can no longer be used. N!gg*r was once a version of nergo and wasn't ment to be derogatory originally. </p>
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<p>Going back to the gypsies/travelers. They not welcome in any town in Ireland and have been sent packing from most towns and there are good reasons for that. They don't help themselves.</p> -
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<p>You have a section of people these days called social justice warriors who are in a constant state of rage and constantly looking for something to feed their rage. Thats why the Marler comment isn't going away. </p>
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<p>Gypsy is or was a normal name for a group that prefer to travel around. They're called travellers these days. Every few decades they have to be called a new name because their name is associated with negativity and so it becomes a bad word over time. Kind of like the words for mentally challenged people like retard, spastic, lunatic etc. Those words were once normal but can no longer be used. N!gg*r was once a version of nergo and wasn't ment to be derogatory originally. </p>
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<p>Going back to the gypsies/travelers. They not welcome in any town in Ireland and have been sent packing from most towns and there are good reasons for that. They don't help themselves.</p>
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<p>A bit like the British Lions and the British Isles.</p>
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<p>These words were once normal too but should no longer be used.....</p>
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<p>Paddy is a also a term that was and can still be used derogatively.</p>
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<p>Spud-eaters, pikeys, etc, etc. </p> -
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They don't help themselves.</p></blockquote>
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<p>Because people now get offended on behalf of others and how easily someone is offended is directly proportional to how stupid they are.</p>
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<p>Marler is god damn lucky Pocock wasn't on the field.</p> -
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<p>Marler is god damn lucky Pocock wasn't on the field.</p>
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<p>Would he have been previously aware about the plight of the Traveller or would he need to consult Twitter first?</p> -
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<p>A bit like the British Lions and the British Isles.</p>
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<p>These words were once normal too but should no longer be used.....</p>
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<p>Paddy is a also a term that was and can still be used derogatively.</p>
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<p>Spud-eaters, pikeys, etc, etc. </p>
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<p>Do you really feel Paddy is offensive PH? I've never heard of it being used in an offensive way nor ever thought of it that way. Yeah it can be used in an offensive manner when combined with something else usually thick Paddy, perpetuating the stereotype. But on its own it just means Irishman to me. In the same way that Kiwi, Yank, Jock, Pom, Taff, fluffybunny means NZer, American, Scotsman, Englishman Welshman, Frenchman.</p>
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<p>Genuinely not trolling here, this is my view and my experience.</p> -
Travellers and gypsies are technically different although the terms have been misused enough that it gets confusing.<br><br>
Would people feel differently if the slur was Jew boy or Black Boy? How long did Suarez get for calling Evra "negro"? It's the same thing really and I'm not surprised that World Rugby don't want to see it condoned on the field.<br><br><br>
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Do you really feel Paddy is offensive PH? I've never heard of it being used in an offensive way nor ever thought of it that way. Yeah it can be used in an offensive manner when combined with something else usually thick Paddy, perpetuating the stereotype. But on its own it just means Irishman to me. In the same way that Kiwi, Yank, Jock, Pom, Taff, fluffybunny means NZer, American, Scotsman, Englishman Welshman, Frenchman.<br><br>
Genuinely not trolling here, this is my view and my experience.</p></blockquote>
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I'm now of an age where it doesn't really matter to me, Cato. In my younger days, when visiting US/UK, or meeting people from UK abroad. I would encounter it from people, particularly officials - train stations, services, got it the odd time in pubs. And on a couple of occasions by cops/Customs officials. But that was at a time (70s/80s) when being Irish was difficult in UK, given the bombings, shootings, murders that were happening. <br><br>
I still hear it casually from people occasionally in a denigratory sense as opposed to friendly banter from visiting fans, etc which I have no problem with at all. Generally you can tell from how someone says it to you or to a group of people. <br><br>
Water off a duck's back at this stage in my life. I'd probably have been a bit more responsive in my younger days.
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<p>A bit more responsive. I like that!</p>
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<p>I understand that thing about how it's said. Always difficult to get context and meaning in the written word. So if I use the term paddy on here, I mean it in the non-responsive way. OK? :yes:</p> -
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<p>A bit more responsive. I like that!</p>
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<p>I understand that thing about how it's said. Always difficult to get context and meaning in the written word. So if I use the term paddy one here, I mean it in the on-responsive way. OK? :yes:</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Calf" data-cid="567226" data-time="1458930869"><p>Travellers and gypsies are technically different although the terms have been misused enough that it gets confusing.<br><br>Would people feel differently if the slur was Jew boy or Black Boy? How long did Suarez get for calling Evra "negro"? It's the same thing really</p></blockquote><br>I'd suggest it's not. When travellers have a history that competes on a misery scale with millennia of genocide or intergenerational slavery it may be the same thing.
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<p>I'd suggest it's not. When travellers have a history that competes on a misery scale with millennia of genocide or intergenerational slavery it may be the same thing.</p>
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<p>So a slur is ok if it's recent and doesn't have genocide, slavery or something similar attached to it? Not sure I agree with that. Just tell him he's a shit prop who can't hold up his side rather than call him a gypsy - because in all honesty, why on earth would anyone call someone a gypsy (or Jew boy or black boy) if not intended as a slur (especially with boy attached to it).</p> -
It was obviously intended as bait in the heat of the moment, so it's usage was derogatory and intended to provoke - well that's my ha'pennyworth anyway.<br>
Apologising at half time was both good and bad because it sorted it out there and then, but gave everyone involved in the game the idea that it had been sorted out for good. <br>
It hadn't as the WRU proved when it decided that Lee's acceptance of the apology wasn't his to give.<br>
Of course the whole thing's a mess, but that's normal isn't it? It would have been easier if England had banned him for a week. That's probably what Stuart Lancaster would have done. But that's one of the reasons he wasn't going for the Grand Slam and Eddie Jones was. -
See, just calling people fluffybunnies wins on all fronts. <br><br>
Hey samson, you're a fluffybunny. And fat. Snd shit at football. <br><br>
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<p>See, just calling people fluffybunnies wins on all fronts.<br><br>
Hey samson, you're a fluffybunny. And fat. Snd shit at football.<br><br>
It sounds better and no one cares</p>
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<p>I think it should be fluffybunny too, not cnut, that'd confuse the fcuk out of him </p> -
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<p>See, just calling people fluffybunnys wins on all fronts.<br><br>
Hey samson, you're a fluffybunny. And <strong>fat. </strong>Snd shit at football.<br><br>
It sounds better and no one cares</p>
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<p>Gotta be careful there M4L. Marler could then be accused of being fattist. Problem being Lee calls him out for being fattist, then Marler comes back with "No, you're fattest" and things then spiral out of control.</p> -
Surely if the recipient of this "offence" says he wasn't offended and accepts the apology of the offender then that should be it. Or is it up to others to decide whether or not he should be offended? Isn't that pretty farking offensive in itself?
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No one cares about the fatties. We're already trying to tax them out of existence
