Article: The Original Rugby Championship - Six Nations 2016
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Catogrande" data-cid="566805" data-time="1458769498">
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<p>First off who is the 'they' that have passed it off as banter. Lee has said he accepts it as banter and the Gatland has said it was banter, subsequently backing down. Neither the England management or the 6N judiciary has suggested it was just banter.</p>
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<p>However, leaving that aside it could have been handled a lot better. The England management could have been more emphatic in their statement and so could the 6N. But the thing is that this is no big deal but it is being mad so. I realise that this will wise hackles in some quarters on here, but for anyone who does feel this way, I would refer you to the T20 thread where in several instances the Pakistani team have been referred to as Pakis with no-one batting an eyelid. Paki is seen as a pejorative term in most of the English speaking world. Pakistani is not.. Gyppo is seen as pejorative as is Pikey. Gypsy is not. Like Pakistani it is a statement of fact. I have little doubt that those on the T20 thread using the term Paki were not being pejorative and likewise I'm pretty sure Marler did mean it that way, but that is a meter of opinion, not fact.</p>
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<p>What next? You can't call someone a fat fluffybunny? Aussine bastard? Sheep shagger (applies to NZ, Aus, Wales and some of the better looking Scots).</p>
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<p>It's political madness gone correct.</p>
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<p>I do agree to an extent, however put yourself in the role of WR and tasked with setting standards and defining abusive behaviour.</p>
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<p>Just where do you draw the line? You mention the use of 'Paki', which in NZ has little to no abuse intended. During the RWC I noticed that whenever a Tongan, Samoan or Fijian team was players they were referred to as 'South Sea Islanders' . Use that term in the wrong place at the wrong time and it could be taken as abuse.</p>
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<p>Trouble is we all live in different cultures and have different concepts of what is acceptable or not. We see endless stupid TV shows about travellers all titled 'Gypsy whatever' where the subjects seemingly have no problem being termed in that manner.</p>
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<p>WR have set the bar as 'acts or statements that are, or conduct that is, discriminatory by</p>
<p>reason of religion, race, sex, sexual orientation, disability, colour or<br>
national or ethnic origin;" and left it at that. Tread in this area and expect to be held account for it. You may have a good case and get off but just don't go there.</p>
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<p>It is indeed PC gone mad - in my first thought.</p>
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<p>But then I also remember when Skinstad claimed after a huge Masaga hit, that it was a "coconut" tackle. I remember being surprised and thinking that was a bit off, especially when Skinstad first response was telling people to piss off, as it meant with the head, not a negative term against islanders. He later backtracked a bit though. So I guess this is probably how a few people felt about the gypsy thing.</p>
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<p>Although in my opinion, there is no difference to calling somebody a gypsy boy than a kiwi-boy or an aussie-boy is there? What if he'd called him a taffy git? What if he retorted with pommy git? Is gypsy not the politically correct term to use? </p>
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<p>I mean, who can be arsed saying Irish Traveller every time? Next thing you know your going to be in shit for saying Merry Christmas. </p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="566832" data-time="1458774112"><p>do you say a 'bunch' of Fluffybunnys?</p></blockquote>
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A bunch of fluffybunnies and a complete set of bastards...<br><br>
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<p>My understanding is that Marler apologized to Lee at half-time. Lee accepted his apology, the players kissed and made up and then went back to beating the shit out of each other on the rugby field. Why TF was that then not the end of it?</p>
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<p>Why TF was that then not the end of it?</p>
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<p>Because people now get offended on behalf of others and how easily someone is offended is directly proportional to how stupid they are.</p> -
<p>You have a section of people these days called social justice warriors who are in a constant state of rage and constantly looking for something to feed their rage. Thats why the Marler comment isn't going away. </p>
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<p>Gypsy is or was a normal name for a group that prefer to travel around. They're called travellers these days. Every few decades they have to be called a new name because their name is associated with negativity and so it becomes a bad word over time. Kind of like the words for mentally challenged people like retard, spastic, lunatic etc. Those words were once normal but can no longer be used. N!gg*r was once a version of nergo and wasn't ment to be derogatory originally. </p>
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<p>Going back to the gypsies/travelers. They not welcome in any town in Ireland and have been sent packing from most towns and there are good reasons for that. They don't help themselves.</p> -
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<p>You have a section of people these days called social justice warriors who are in a constant state of rage and constantly looking for something to feed their rage. Thats why the Marler comment isn't going away. </p>
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<p>Gypsy is or was a normal name for a group that prefer to travel around. They're called travellers these days. Every few decades they have to be called a new name because their name is associated with negativity and so it becomes a bad word over time. Kind of like the words for mentally challenged people like retard, spastic, lunatic etc. Those words were once normal but can no longer be used. N!gg*r was once a version of nergo and wasn't ment to be derogatory originally. </p>
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<p>Going back to the gypsies/travelers. They not welcome in any town in Ireland and have been sent packing from most towns and there are good reasons for that. They don't help themselves.</p>
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<p>A bit like the British Lions and the British Isles.</p>
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<p>These words were once normal too but should no longer be used.....</p>
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<p>Paddy is a also a term that was and can still be used derogatively.</p>
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<p>Spud-eaters, pikeys, etc, etc. </p> -
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<p>Because people now get offended on behalf of others and how easily someone is offended is directly proportional to how stupid they are.</p>
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<p>Marler is god damn lucky Pocock wasn't on the field.</p> -
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<p>Marler is god damn lucky Pocock wasn't on the field.</p>
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<p>Would he have been previously aware about the plight of the Traveller or would he need to consult Twitter first?</p> -
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<p>A bit like the British Lions and the British Isles.</p>
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<p>These words were once normal too but should no longer be used.....</p>
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<p>Paddy is a also a term that was and can still be used derogatively.</p>
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<p>Spud-eaters, pikeys, etc, etc. </p>
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<p>Do you really feel Paddy is offensive PH? I've never heard of it being used in an offensive way nor ever thought of it that way. Yeah it can be used in an offensive manner when combined with something else usually thick Paddy, perpetuating the stereotype. But on its own it just means Irishman to me. In the same way that Kiwi, Yank, Jock, Pom, Taff, fluffybunny means NZer, American, Scotsman, Englishman Welshman, Frenchman.</p>
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<p>Genuinely not trolling here, this is my view and my experience.</p> -
Travellers and gypsies are technically different although the terms have been misused enough that it gets confusing.<br><br>
Would people feel differently if the slur was Jew boy or Black Boy? How long did Suarez get for calling Evra "negro"? It's the same thing really and I'm not surprised that World Rugby don't want to see it condoned on the field.<br><br><br>
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Do you really feel Paddy is offensive PH? I've never heard of it being used in an offensive way nor ever thought of it that way. Yeah it can be used in an offensive manner when combined with something else usually thick Paddy, perpetuating the stereotype. But on its own it just means Irishman to me. In the same way that Kiwi, Yank, Jock, Pom, Taff, fluffybunny means NZer, American, Scotsman, Englishman Welshman, Frenchman.<br><br>
Genuinely not trolling here, this is my view and my experience.</p></blockquote>
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I'm now of an age where it doesn't really matter to me, Cato. In my younger days, when visiting US/UK, or meeting people from UK abroad. I would encounter it from people, particularly officials - train stations, services, got it the odd time in pubs. And on a couple of occasions by cops/Customs officials. But that was at a time (70s/80s) when being Irish was difficult in UK, given the bombings, shootings, murders that were happening. <br><br>
I still hear it casually from people occasionally in a denigratory sense as opposed to friendly banter from visiting fans, etc which I have no problem with at all. Generally you can tell from how someone says it to you or to a group of people. <br><br>
Water off a duck's back at this stage in my life. I'd probably have been a bit more responsive in my younger days.
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<p>A bit more responsive. I like that!</p>
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<p>I understand that thing about how it's said. Always difficult to get context and meaning in the written word. So if I use the term paddy on here, I mean it in the non-responsive way. OK? :yes:</p> -
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<p>A bit more responsive. I like that!</p>
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<p>I understand that thing about how it's said. Always difficult to get context and meaning in the written word. So if I use the term paddy one here, I mean it in the on-responsive way. OK? :yes:</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Calf" data-cid="567226" data-time="1458930869"><p>Travellers and gypsies are technically different although the terms have been misused enough that it gets confusing.<br><br>Would people feel differently if the slur was Jew boy or Black Boy? How long did Suarez get for calling Evra "negro"? It's the same thing really</p></blockquote><br>I'd suggest it's not. When travellers have a history that competes on a misery scale with millennia of genocide or intergenerational slavery it may be the same thing.
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<p>I'd suggest it's not. When travellers have a history that competes on a misery scale with millennia of genocide or intergenerational slavery it may be the same thing.</p>
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<p>So a slur is ok if it's recent and doesn't have genocide, slavery or something similar attached to it? Not sure I agree with that. Just tell him he's a shit prop who can't hold up his side rather than call him a gypsy - because in all honesty, why on earth would anyone call someone a gypsy (or Jew boy or black boy) if not intended as a slur (especially with boy attached to it).</p> -
It was obviously intended as bait in the heat of the moment, so it's usage was derogatory and intended to provoke - well that's my ha'pennyworth anyway.<br>
Apologising at half time was both good and bad because it sorted it out there and then, but gave everyone involved in the game the idea that it had been sorted out for good. <br>
It hadn't as the WRU proved when it decided that Lee's acceptance of the apology wasn't his to give.<br>
Of course the whole thing's a mess, but that's normal isn't it? It would have been easier if England had banned him for a week. That's probably what Stuart Lancaster would have done. But that's one of the reasons he wasn't going for the Grand Slam and Eddie Jones was. -
See, just calling people fluffybunnies wins on all fronts. <br><br>
Hey samson, you're a fluffybunny. And fat. Snd shit at football. <br><br>
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<p>See, just calling people fluffybunnies wins on all fronts.<br><br>
Hey samson, you're a fluffybunny. And fat. Snd shit at football.<br><br>
It sounds better and no one cares</p>
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<p>I think it should be fluffybunny too, not cnut, that'd confuse the fcuk out of him </p>
