Article: The Original Rugby Championship - Six Nations 2016
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="566813" data-time="1458770592">
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<p>Well I'm not offended when Jamie Fox says it, if that's what you mean. Or did you think only whites can be from Texas?</p>
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<p>Well that's because you're a Kiwi and Kiwis just love an abbreviation. I understand that N&&**er is an abbreviation of "Hands where I can see 'em motherfucking N&&**er".</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Catogrande" data-cid="566815" data-time="1458770836"><p>Well that's because you're a Kiwi and Kiwis just love and abbreviation. I understand that N&&**er is an abbreviation of "Hands where I can see 'em motherfucking N&&**er".<br><br>
Well according to the Detroit PD anyway.</p></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Bones" data-cid="566806" data-time="1458769865">
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<p>Cato, paki is in no way offensive in NZ. You English are just loony. Kiwis just love an abbreviation.</p>
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<p>Offensive to who?</p>
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<p>Good whiskey?</p>
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<p>Righteous!</p> -
<p>Bloody limeys!</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="566817" data-time="1458771926">
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<p>Offensive to who?</p>
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<p>You the middle aged white male? or have you actually asked some Pakistanis if they find it offensive?</p>
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<p> I got as far as asking a few but as soon s I used the word paki I got punched in the mouth.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="566817" data-time="1458771926"><p>Offensive to who?<br><br>
You the middle aged white male? or have you actually asked some Pakistanis if they find it offensive?</p></blockquote>
Hah, what the fuck? 30s is middle aged now? I don't think you've got much idea about my ethnicity either eh...<br><br>
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<p>Sorry Sammy, I totally got the wrong end of the stick re your post.</p>
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<p>do you say a 'bunch' of Fluffybunnys?</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="566817" data-time="1458771926">
<p>Offensive to who?<br>
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You the middle aged white male? or have you actually asked some Pakistanis if they find it offensive?</p>
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I've not been in the habit of asking while in Pakistan. In the antipodes I couldn't care less.<br>
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<p>N&&**er is no way offensive when some texans speak amongst each too I imagine.</p>
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<br><p>I'm not sure they're analogous given the historical context in the USA. But as Al Sharpton said; <em>'If you call yourself the n-word, you can’t get mad when someone treats you like that.'</em></p> -
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<p>First off who is the 'they' that have passed it off as banter. Lee has said he accepts it as banter and the Gatland has said it was banter, subsequently backing down. Neither the England management or the 6N judiciary has suggested it was just banter.</p>
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<p>However, leaving that aside it could have been handled a lot better. The England management could have been more emphatic in their statement and so could the 6N. But the thing is that this is no big deal but it is being mad so. I realise that this will wise hackles in some quarters on here, but for anyone who does feel this way, I would refer you to the T20 thread where in several instances the Pakistani team have been referred to as Pakis with no-one batting an eyelid. Paki is seen as a pejorative term in most of the English speaking world. Pakistani is not.. Gyppo is seen as pejorative as is Pikey. Gypsy is not. Like Pakistani it is a statement of fact. I have little doubt that those on the T20 thread using the term Paki were not being pejorative and likewise I'm pretty sure Marler did mean it that way, but that is a meter of opinion, not fact.</p>
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<p>What next? You can't call someone a fat fluffybunny? Aussine bastard? Sheep shagger (applies to NZ, Aus, Wales and some of the better looking Scots).</p>
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<p>It's political madness gone correct.</p>
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<p>I do agree to an extent, however put yourself in the role of WR and tasked with setting standards and defining abusive behaviour.</p>
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<p>Just where do you draw the line? You mention the use of 'Paki', which in NZ has little to no abuse intended. During the RWC I noticed that whenever a Tongan, Samoan or Fijian team was players they were referred to as 'South Sea Islanders' . Use that term in the wrong place at the wrong time and it could be taken as abuse.</p>
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<p>Trouble is we all live in different cultures and have different concepts of what is acceptable or not. We see endless stupid TV shows about travellers all titled 'Gypsy whatever' where the subjects seemingly have no problem being termed in that manner.</p>
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<p>WR have set the bar as 'acts or statements that are, or conduct that is, discriminatory by</p>
<p>reason of religion, race, sex, sexual orientation, disability, colour or<br>
national or ethnic origin;" and left it at that. Tread in this area and expect to be held account for it. You may have a good case and get off but just don't go there.</p>
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<p>It is indeed PC gone mad - in my first thought.</p>
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<p>But then I also remember when Skinstad claimed after a huge Masaga hit, that it was a "coconut" tackle. I remember being surprised and thinking that was a bit off, especially when Skinstad first response was telling people to piss off, as it meant with the head, not a negative term against islanders. He later backtracked a bit though. So I guess this is probably how a few people felt about the gypsy thing.</p>
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<p>Although in my opinion, there is no difference to calling somebody a gypsy boy than a kiwi-boy or an aussie-boy is there? What if he'd called him a taffy git? What if he retorted with pommy git? Is gypsy not the politically correct term to use? </p>
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<p>I mean, who can be arsed saying Irish Traveller every time? Next thing you know your going to be in shit for saying Merry Christmas. </p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="566832" data-time="1458774112"><p>do you say a 'bunch' of Fluffybunnys?</p></blockquote>
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A bunch of fluffybunnies and a complete set of bastards...<br><br>
Either way, Marler is now wishing he called Lee a fat ginger Welsh twat instead of a gypsy -
<p>My understanding is that Marler apologized to Lee at half-time. Lee accepted his apology, the players kissed and made up and then went back to beating the shit out of each other on the rugby field. Why TF was that then not the end of it?</p>
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<p>Why TF was that then not the end of it?</p>
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<p>Because people now get offended on behalf of others and how easily someone is offended is directly proportional to how stupid they are.</p> -
<p>You have a section of people these days called social justice warriors who are in a constant state of rage and constantly looking for something to feed their rage. Thats why the Marler comment isn't going away. </p>
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<p>Gypsy is or was a normal name for a group that prefer to travel around. They're called travellers these days. Every few decades they have to be called a new name because their name is associated with negativity and so it becomes a bad word over time. Kind of like the words for mentally challenged people like retard, spastic, lunatic etc. Those words were once normal but can no longer be used. N!gg*r was once a version of nergo and wasn't ment to be derogatory originally. </p>
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<p>Going back to the gypsies/travelers. They not welcome in any town in Ireland and have been sent packing from most towns and there are good reasons for that. They don't help themselves.</p> -
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<p>You have a section of people these days called social justice warriors who are in a constant state of rage and constantly looking for something to feed their rage. Thats why the Marler comment isn't going away. </p>
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<p>Gypsy is or was a normal name for a group that prefer to travel around. They're called travellers these days. Every few decades they have to be called a new name because their name is associated with negativity and so it becomes a bad word over time. Kind of like the words for mentally challenged people like retard, spastic, lunatic etc. Those words were once normal but can no longer be used. N!gg*r was once a version of nergo and wasn't ment to be derogatory originally. </p>
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<p>Going back to the gypsies/travelers. They not welcome in any town in Ireland and have been sent packing from most towns and there are good reasons for that. They don't help themselves.</p>
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<p>A bit like the British Lions and the British Isles.</p>
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<p>These words were once normal too but should no longer be used.....</p>
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<p>Paddy is a also a term that was and can still be used derogatively.</p>
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<p>Spud-eaters, pikeys, etc, etc. </p>
