All Blacks vs Fiji 2
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones not sure how Ardie was rusty? Esp looking at the voting
Really? How many errors? Busy but not hugely effective a lot of the time. I'm comparing him to Ardie... don't get defensive...
…I think they’d be pretty similar…ardie v ardie
Not if you watched him today Vs him in the RC last year...
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It looked to me that largely it was DH that performed the second playmaker role tonight rather than McKenzie who was used out wide a bit more. I wonder if that had something to do with the change in personel at 13 and 11?
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@frank lol I’ve had that pic for years.
Savea is perfectly fine as a 7 at international level. The problem at the World Cup is he had next to no time in that position leading into the Semi Final and was surrounded by an aging Read who you could argue shouldn’t have been there anyway.
Bullshit that he’s not upto it against the bigger teams. Are you blind, he’s been dominant tonight and I wouldn’t say Fiji are small.
With Cane out all year it’s going to be hard bringing him back if Savea and Papali’i dominate.
I hate to break this to you - because it turned out I was wrong...but, I distinctly heard Foster say midweek that Ardie is an 8 for us, but he can also play 7.
He can, but not as well as Jacobson and Sotutu, so he should shelve that idea.
Yeah agree Ardie looks good at 7 and Jacobsen has a massive work rate at 8 he has impressed.
Jacobsen has always been a star. Hard nosed toiler with a great work rate and good rugby brain.
He is some way better than Sotutu at test level. -
@frank said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@frank lol I’ve had that pic for years.
Savea is perfectly fine as a 7 at international level. The problem at the World Cup is he had next to no time in that position leading into the Semi Final and was surrounded by an aging Read who you could argue shouldn’t have been there anyway.
Bullshit that he’s not upto it against the bigger teams. Are you blind, he’s been dominant tonight and I wouldn’t say Fiji are small.
With Cane out all year it’s going to be hard bringing him back if Savea and Papali’i dominate.
I hate to break this to you - because it turned out I was wrong...but, I distinctly heard Foster say midweek that Ardie is an 8 for us, but he can also play 7.
He can, but not as well as Jacobson and Sotutu, so he should shelve that idea.
Yeah agree Ardie looks good at 7 and Jacobsen has a massive work rate at 8 he has impressed.
Jacobsen has always been a star. Hard nosed toiler with a great work rate and good rugby brain.
He is some way way better than Sotutu at test level.Yep agree he’s grabbed the 8 jersey I reckon.
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Finally figured out what it is with Frizzel at test level. Is actually really busy and accurate, does his job and boy does he hit as hard as he can...but...it's post hit that's the problem - just has zero leg drive through contact it seems, in both attack and defence.
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@frank said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@canes4life said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@frank lol I’ve had that pic for years.
Savea is perfectly fine as a 7 at international level. The problem at the World Cup is he had next to no time in that position leading into the Semi Final and was surrounded by an aging Read who you could argue shouldn’t have been there anyway.
Bullshit that he’s not upto it against the bigger teams. Are you blind, he’s been dominant tonight and I wouldn’t say Fiji are small.
With Cane out all year it’s going to be hard bringing him back if Savea and Papali’i dominate.
I hate to break this to you - because it turned out I was wrong...but, I distinctly heard Foster say midweek that Ardie is an 8 for us, but he can also play 7.
He can, but not as well as Jacobson and Sotutu, so he should shelve that idea.
Yeah agree Ardie looks good at 7 and Jacobsen has a massive work rate at 8 he has impressed.
Jacobsen has always been a star. Hard nosed toiler with a great work rate and good rugby brain.
He is some way way better than Sotutu at test level.Yep. He’s a bit of the forgotten man for some reason. But not anymore. He looked right at home there.
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I’ll have to look out for Jacobson next time, I thought he was pretty invisible, frizell like, but all the plaudits he’s getting suggest otherwise
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I’ll have to look out for Jacobson next time, I thought he was pretty invisible, frizell like, but all the plaudits he’s getting suggest otherwise
Definitely not, sat quite a few Fijians down on both sides of the ball. Think it was a couple of seasons ago players were talking about him having the hardest shoulder in super rugby?
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@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
I’ll have to look out for Jacobson next time, I thought he was pretty invisible, frizell like, but all the plaudits he’s getting suggest otherwise
It was interesting seeing Frizell come on. The guy is an absolute unit. Strange he doesn’t cause more damage.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Finally figured out what it is with Frizzel at test level. Is actually really busy and accurate, does his job and boy does he hit as hard as he can...but...it's post hit that's the problem - just has zero leg drive through contact it seems, in both attack and defence.
I thought this was his best 20 minutes of test rugby for a while.
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@rancid-schnitzel see my post above!
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@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Finally figured out what it is with Frizzel at test level. Is actually really busy and accurate, does his job and boy does he hit as hard as he can...but...it's post hit that's the problem - just has zero leg drive through contact it seems, in both attack and defence.
I thought this was his best 20 minutes of test rugby for a while.
I thought he played how he always plays...
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Finally figured out what it is with Frizzel at test level. Is actually really busy and accurate, does his job and boy does he hit as hard as he can...but...it's post hit that's the problem - just has zero leg drive through contact it seems, in both attack and defence.
I thought this was his best 20 minutes of test rugby for a while.
I thought he played how he always plays...
Well, I noticed his runs and hits (more effective maybe)more this week than I remember from his other tests, more like his Super game.
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@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Finally figured out what it is with Frizzel at test level. Is actually really busy and accurate, does his job and boy does he hit as hard as he can...but...it's post hit that's the problem - just has zero leg drive through contact it seems, in both attack and defence.
I thought this was his best 20 minutes of test rugby for a while.
I thought he played how he always plays...
Well, I noticed his runs and hits (more effective maybe)more this week than I remember from his other tests, more like his Super game.
Nah that's how he always bloody plays! Maybe it's easier to see without any red mist because Akira isn't starting...
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Finally figured out what it is with Frizzel at test level. Is actually really busy and accurate, does his job and boy does he hit as hard as he can...but...it's post hit that's the problem - just has zero leg drive through contact it seems, in both attack and defence.
I thought this was his best 20 minutes of test rugby for a while.
I thought he played how he always plays...
Well, I noticed his runs and hits (more effective maybe)more this week than I remember from his other tests, more like his Super game.
Nah that's how he always bloody plays! Maybe it's easier to see without any red mist because Akira isn't starting...
Akira was starting …
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@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Finally figured out what it is with Frizzel at test level. Is actually really busy and accurate, does his job and boy does he hit as hard as he can...but...it's post hit that's the problem - just has zero leg drive through contact it seems, in both attack and defence.
I thought this was his best 20 minutes of test rugby for a while.
I thought he played how he always plays...
Well, I noticed his runs and hits (more effective maybe)more this week than I remember from his other tests, more like his Super game.
Nah that's how he always bloody plays! Maybe it's easier to see without any red mist because Akira isn't starting...
Akira was starting …
Prexactly. Hence no red mist to peer through.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Finally figured out what it is with Frizzel at test level. Is actually really busy and accurate, does his job and boy does he hit as hard as he can...but...it's post hit that's the problem - just has zero leg drive through contact it seems, in both attack and defence.
I thought this was his best 20 minutes of test rugby for a while.
I thought he played how he always plays...
Well, I noticed his runs and hits (more effective maybe)more this week than I remember from his other tests, more like his Super game.
Nah that's how he always bloody plays! Maybe it's easier to see without any red mist because Akira isn't starting...
Akira was starting …
Prexactly. Hence no red mist to peer through.
Ah, I get your point. Although I think as I’m hardly the only one to not rate Frizzell test efforts of the past year that you may have the opposite of red mist? Pink mist?
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@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji 2:
Finally figured out what it is with Frizzel at test level. Is actually really busy and accurate, does his job and boy does he hit as hard as he can...but...it's post hit that's the problem - just has zero leg drive through contact it seems, in both attack and defence.
I thought this was his best 20 minutes of test rugby for a while.
I thought he played how he always plays...
Well, I noticed his runs and hits (more effective maybe)more this week than I remember from his other tests, more like his Super game.
Nah that's how he always bloody plays! Maybe it's easier to see without any red mist because Akira isn't starting...
Akira was starting …
Prexactly. Hence no red mist to peer through.
Ah, I get your point. Although I think as I’m hardly the only one to not rate Frizzell test efforts of the past year that you may have the opposite of red mist? Pink mist?
Huh? I don't really rate him either. I'm saying he played how he usually plays. Busy, accurate, but no impact.
Watch a couple of his runs or defensive plays, absolutely flies in and you think he's going to clatter people out of the way, but it just...stops.
