All Blacks vs Fiji
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Our tight five were pretty damn impotent for 50 odd minutes, makes it hard to guage the rest.
Blackadder was fucking everywhere, it was awesome, but didn't exactly have much of an impact a fair bit of the time - how different would that be with a functioning tight five?
Frizzel was anonymous, Sotutu often ineffective, even Smith seemed to disappear into the mehther.
I really don't see what Bridge is doing that pretty much any other back (or a lot of forwards) can't do. Good timing hitting the line to throw a pass.... unless there's a defender near and then the movement dies with you. If that's what we want from our left wing then Havili is a million times better option.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Our tight five were pretty damn impotent for 50 odd minutes, makes it hard to guage the rest.
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Blackadder was fucking everywhere, it was awesome, but didn't exactly have much of an impact a fair bit of the time - how different would that be with a functioning tight five?Frizzel was anonymous, Sotutu often ineffective, even Smith seemed to disappear into the mehther.
I really don't see what Bridge is doing that pretty much any other back (or a lot of forwards) can't do. Good timing hitting the line to throw a pass.... unless there's a defender near and then the movement dies with you. If that's what we want from our left wing then Havili is a million times better option.
You answered the question on Blackadder .
A better tight five performance would have made his influence massive. -
@chris yep, I'd give Frizzel and Sotutu another chance, but I can't see them being anything other than handy to have in case of injury now. Plenty of time for Sotutu though.
Was a pretty dumb idea to start an extremely rusty Retallick alongside Tuipulotu who's never imposed himself when starting... then you had Laulala who was maybe going to steady up one side of a scrum and zero else.
Throw in one of those as a change in last week's team and I can't see them having as poor a game as today. I don't think anything was learned today, good training run.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@tj said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Looks like another really poor crowd. This can not be a good sign for NZ rugby
A North Vs South series would have been more interesting for the punters than these games.
In retrospect I think people underestimated Fiji
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@tj said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Looks like another really poor crowd. This can not be a good sign for NZ rugby
A North Vs South series would have been more interesting for the punters than these games.
In retrospect I think people underestimated Fiji
I think posters on here are still underestimating them. All we get is how badly ABs played, and not how well Fiji played. I thought they were pretty ok, and ABs won by 34 points, so either I am wrong and Fiji were poor or ABs played ok, not great but ok.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Nice hands by All Blacks.
WTF is the ref saying "through the middle"? He's climbing over the top of the maul ffs.
I've just remember it's Williams
I don't want to ruin this thread by complaining about the ref, but he shouldn't have a professional fixture.
Not getting into specifics (coz I can't remember them), and agree with @antipodean about not making it a ref rant, but definitely got the opinion I was disagreeing with too many of his calls.
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@nepia said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Out muscled by Fiji FFS
You expect their backs to run in a few on flair and brilliance, but not their pack to do the business.
Stereotypically yes.
Look at the size and shape of these fullas and remember they're all playing pro rugby in forward dominated leagues oop norf. They're going to be pretty decent forwards.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Shoulder right into DMac head there
Deserved a second look and a card. Brushed over by officials and broadcaster.
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@toddy said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Rubbish cleanout from Hoskins.
Didn't have a great game.
In fact our loosies were very quiet.
Have great hope for Blackadder, but 6 & 8 didn't do much for us.
Jacobsen went ok when he came on.
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@toddy said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
AB's loose forwards aren't working as a trio at all. Even individually they don't look up to it.
Obviously great minds
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@duluth said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Not many carrying meters from the forwards
Sotutu with 13 & Tuipulotu with 8 are the best. Really low compared to normal
Thinking about this I think we were partialy victims of our own success in attack. We didn't have to set up long periods on attack as we'd score worth our strike moves as soon as we were offered a chance.
On top of that we'd make half breaks and isolate from our support allowing Fiji to attack the breakdown (Not always legally).
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@toddy said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Good game so far.
Those Fijian's are big boys and are playing some rally good rugby.
Might need a change of game plan at half time and commit a few more to the ruck as we're struggling to clear the ball quick enough. The backs will do the business as long as they can get quick ball.
Calm and logical posting? This is TSF man
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@stargazer said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Razor would get a lot more out of all these players. Then a better game plan, and you'd have a well-oiled machine. Maybe not worldbeaters, considering who's in the squad, but much better than this.
A little unfair, I thought Cotter did well...
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Nice hands by All Blacks.
WTF is the ref saying "through the middle"? He's climbing over the top of the maul ffs.
I've just remember it's Williams
I don't want to ruin this thread by complaining about the ref, but he shouldn't have a professional fixture.
Not getting into specifics (coz I can't remember them), and agree with @antipodean about not making it a ref rant, but definitely got the opinion I was disagreeing with too many of his calls.
I just don't like the 'vibe' Williams' brings. Something just a bit off with his interpretations and management. Can't quite pin it down.
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
We just lack physicality. Don't think we took the threat serious enough and took the piss with the starting lineup a bit.
In saying that we should still be playing better than this shit.we’re is a game plan or progression from last year .soft forward effort let’s hope COVID keeps SA out of the RC .
Yeah. Unbeatable.
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
So ABs always had 60+ on Fiji, another great record for Foster's ABs
Didn't score 60. Sack him.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Two forward passes in a row by Ioane. So if Fiji win, will foster stand down?
Stand down? He should be lynched before he gets a chance.
You'll need a crane to get him up there.
Ah that's right, he's fat too
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
Dis Scott Hamilton make the abs ?
I understand some headwear was consumed.
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@duluth said in All Blacks vs Fiji:
AB man of the match voting:
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4725/all-blacks-motm-v-fijiDo we have to?
