Formula 1 2021
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@duluth yeah was bloody funny when he criticised Vettel's team for their release in qualifying to the reps face then did a "but anyway".
Classic when he got all excited about seeing the start marshall he knew and ran over to talk to him "oh that's not the one I know" and turns back around.
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So after a huge whine that Hamilton 'celebrated a win whilst he was in hospital getting checked', Verstappen drove over the top of Hamilton, ended up with his car parked on top. He just got out and walked away, not even checking Hamilton was alright. What a hypocritical fluffybunny
He got a 3 place grid penalty next race, to me just a racing incident like the previous one he was the victim of. I'm no huge fan of Hamilton, but Verstappen is such a whiney pussy, I'll be cheering for Lewis this season
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@machpants I agree it's a racing incident.
And after several hours of deliberating, it was deemed Verstappen was at fault as his pass was “attempted too late for him to have the right to racing room” – and he was handed a three-place grid penalty plus two penalty points – the first on his licence in this 12-month period.
Not sure I agree with that, looked to me like he was alongside in turn 1 and got squeezed, but I'm not a F1 steward so WTF would I know.
Very happy for Daniel.
Couldn't support Hamilton in a month of Sundays.
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@antipodean Reasonable about Hamilton, he’s just the only one who can beat ‘my pussy hurts’ Verstappen
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Mexican Grand Prix was an absolute beauty. Awesome start from Verstappen to get first around the corner from 3rd after a poor start from Bottas. Then pit stops aside, he led the whole race easily.
But the best part was all about Perez. First ever Mexican to lead the Mexican Grand Prix & take the podium. It was a really emotional watch and you could see just how much the entire Red Bull crew, including Verstappen, were happy for him. Great stuff given the guy didn't even have a drive this time last year.
But fuck me, why does Hamilton have to be such a complete and utter fluffybunny. Miserable as all hell in the party going around them, then in his interview, basically says you could see how much more pace they had as Perez could keep up with me. I mean the guy is literally having one of the best days of his life and doing a huge amount for the Mexican fans and then you have to go and basically say "I'm so much better, it's just their car is so much faster today, but I could still win".
He often gets accused of being tone deaf, but sometimes he really doesn't help himself.
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@majorrage i laughed out loud when i read his quote
for how many years now have you obviously had the fastest car Lewis? doesn't count then? I thought it was all about the driver?
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@mariner4life said in Formula 1 2021:
@majorrage i laughed out loud when i read his quote
for how many years now have you obviously had the fastest car Lewis? doesn't count then? I thought it was all about the driver?
To be fair I can’t remember too many times that Hamilton entered into that debate. Verstappen, Vettel on the other hand…
Oh and legions of fans from either side 😀
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@catogrande said in Formula 1 2021:
@mariner4life said in Formula 1 2021:
@majorrage i laughed out loud when i read his quote
for how many years now have you obviously had the fastest car Lewis? doesn't count then? I thought it was all about the driver?
To be fair I can’t remember too many times that Hamilton entered into that debate. Verstappen, Vettel on the other hand…
Oh and legions of fans from either side 😀
You don't have to enter it from the fast side...
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@mariner4life said in Formula 1 2021:
@catogrande said in Formula 1 2021:
@mariner4life said in Formula 1 2021:
@majorrage i laughed out loud when i read his quote
for how many years now have you obviously had the fastest car Lewis? doesn't count then? I thought it was all about the driver?
To be fair I can’t remember too many times that Hamilton entered into that debate. Verstappen, Vettel on the other hand…
Oh and legions of fans from either side 😀
You don't have to enter it from the fast side...
True but that is not what your post implied 😬
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Man Hamilton had a weekend for the ages there. Dropped to last because of a Technical infringement, an air gap in his wing had opened up over the course of qualifying. Managed to smash into 10th on the grid with the spring qualifying. Just now a heck of a drive, to take the flag over taking Verstappen a few laps to go. He had kept the championship alive. Maybe a dickhead, but he can certainly perform in the big ones
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@machpants I actually don’t mind Hamilton. If he is arrogant he has certainly earned the right to be. There’s been any number of drivers over the years who talk a good game but fail to deliver on the track. Hamilton certainly isn’t one of those.
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I think he's a twat but there's no denying his tremendous talent. That was an amazing performance.
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@machpants said in Formula 1 2021:
Man Hamilton had a weekend for the ages there. Dropped to last because of a Technical infringement, an air gap in his wing had opened up over the course of qualifying. Managed to smash into 10th on the grid with the spring qualifying. Just now a heck of a drive, to take the flag over taking Verstappen a few laps to go. He had kept the championship alive. Maybe a dickhead, but he can certainly perform in the big ones
He actually smashed into 5th but took another 5 place penalty. In front of Verstappen by ten seconds at the flag. Outrageous pace difference but it was a classy drive.
Did make me smile when he heard the stewards weren't investigating Verstappen pushing him wide "oh no of course not no".
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You can't really take anything away from Hamilton - last to first is always spectacular. But why is nobody talking bout the clear gaming of the rules by Mercedes?
You are allowed 3 engines a year. Mercedes have blatantly built a power unit within the regulations which cannot last 8 races. They've built one which maybe lasts for 5. Hamilton is now on his 5th engine. Whilst other teams are using the older engines, Hamilton puts in a brand new one, and in the space of week goes from being off the pace vs Verstappen, to suddenly being a second a lap faster. The start of the sprint was utterly ridiculous. He just floored it, moved to the right and passed about 6 cars on the strait. He needs an advantage of at least 200 hp to be able do that.
Mercedes have calculated that putting in a new engine gives them that much of an advantage that the 5 grid penalty is totally worth it. If you have 200bhp advantage, a 5 place grid penalty is absolute peanuts.
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Given the technology, skills and resource in engine maintenance in F1 would the deterioration be that significant to allow so much of an advantage? You'd have to see a near 25% deterioration, would that be right?
But yes it does seem to be a clear strategy.
What did you think of the Verstappen manoeuvre, pushing Hamilton wide? I didn't see the race live but looking at it in the highlights it certainly seemed worthy of a bit more attention than the stewards gave it.
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@catogrande said in Formula 1 2021:
Given the technology, skills and resource in engine maintenance in F1 would the deterioration be that significant to allow so much of an advantage? You'd have to see a near 25% deterioration, would that be right?
But yes it does seem to be a clear strategy.
What did you think of the Verstappen manoeuvre, pushing Hamilton wide? I didn't see the race live but looking at it in the highlights it certainly seemed worthy of a bit more attention than the stewards gave it.
I was more surprised that the stewards didn't seem bothered by the track limits violations.
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@majorrage said in Formula 1 2021:
You can't really take anything away from Hamilton - last to first is always spectacular. But why is nobody talking bout the clear gaming of the rules by Mercedes?
You are allowed 3 engines a year. Mercedes have blatantly built a power unit within the regulations which cannot last 8 races. They've built one which maybe lasts for 5. Hamilton is now on his 5th engine. Whilst other teams are using the older engines, Hamilton puts in a brand new one, and in the space of week goes from being off the pace vs Verstappen, to suddenly being a second a lap faster. The start of the sprint was utterly ridiculous. He just floored it, moved to the right and passed about 6 cars on the strait. He needs an advantage of at least 200 hp to be able do that.
Mercedes have calculated that putting in a new engine gives them that much of an advantage that the 5 grid penalty is totally worth it. If you have 200bhp advantage, a 5 place grid penalty is absolute peanuts.
Actually, that isn't true about the engines and Mercedes in particular. And you would be hard pressed to argue and prove that they blatantly or purposefully developed an engine that wouldn't last to gain an advantage.
Yes, Mercedes engines have had reliability issues all season (you could better argue this has negatively impacted the performance of Mercedes) and both Hamilton and Bottas have taken additional engines but most of the other teams, in particular McLaren who have Mercedes supplied engines, have taken additional engines.
And it's not just Mercedes and McLaren who have done this but other teams. Both Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez have faced grid penalties in 2021 after taking a new engine so this is actually common. Hence why there are rules that govern it and penalties given.
It is well within the rules to do so and each time you do, depending on the particular component, you will take a grid place penalty for the race.
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@roninwc said in Formula 1 2021:
@majorrage said in Formula 1 2021:
You can't really take anything away from Hamilton - last to first is always spectacular. But why is nobody talking bout the clear gaming of the rules by Mercedes?
You are allowed 3 engines a year. Mercedes have blatantly built a power unit within the regulations which cannot last 8 races. They've built one which maybe lasts for 5. Hamilton is now on his 5th engine. Whilst other teams are using the older engines, Hamilton puts in a brand new one, and in the space of week goes from being off the pace vs Verstappen, to suddenly being a second a lap faster. The start of the sprint was utterly ridiculous. He just floored it, moved to the right and passed about 6 cars on the strait. He needs an advantage of at least 200 hp to be able do that.
Mercedes have calculated that putting in a new engine gives them that much of an advantage that the 5 grid penalty is totally worth it. If you have 200bhp advantage, a 5 place grid penalty is absolute peanuts.
Actually, that isn't true about the engines and Mercedes in particular. And you would be hard pressed to argue and prove that they blatantly or purposefully developed an engine that wouldn't last to gain an advantage.
Yes, Mercedes engines have had reliability issues all season (you could better argue this has negatively impacted the performance of Mercedes) and both Hamilton and Bottas have taken additional engines but most of the other teams, in particular McLaren who have Mercedes supplied engines, have taken additional engines.
And it's not just Mercedes and McLaren who have done this but other teams. Both Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez have faced grid penalties in 2021 after taking a new engine so this is actually common. Hence why there are rules that govern it and penalties given.
It is well within the rules to do so and each time you do, depending on the particular component, you will take a grid place penalty for the race.
Very little of your post disagrees with me.
Mercedes themselves said they would have no power left if they didn’t change.
Are you honestly suggesting Mercedes new engines arent much faster than their old?
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@majorrage said in Formula 1 2021:
@roninwc said in Formula 1 2021:
@majorrage said in Formula 1 2021:
You can't really take anything away from Hamilton - last to first is always spectacular. But why is nobody talking bout the clear gaming of the rules by Mercedes?
You are allowed 3 engines a year. Mercedes have blatantly built a power unit within the regulations which cannot last 8 races. They've built one which maybe lasts for 5. Hamilton is now on his 5th engine. Whilst other teams are using the older engines, Hamilton puts in a brand new one, and in the space of week goes from being off the pace vs Verstappen, to suddenly being a second a lap faster. The start of the sprint was utterly ridiculous. He just floored it, moved to the right and passed about 6 cars on the strait. He needs an advantage of at least 200 hp to be able do that.
Mercedes have calculated that putting in a new engine gives them that much of an advantage that the 5 grid penalty is totally worth it. If you have 200bhp advantage, a 5 place grid penalty is absolute peanuts.
Actually, that isn't true about the engines and Mercedes in particular. And you would be hard pressed to argue and prove that they blatantly or purposefully developed an engine that wouldn't last to gain an advantage.
Yes, Mercedes engines have had reliability issues all season (you could better argue this has negatively impacted the performance of Mercedes) and both Hamilton and Bottas have taken additional engines but most of the other teams, in particular McLaren who have Mercedes supplied engines, have taken additional engines.
And it's not just Mercedes and McLaren who have done this but other teams. Both Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez have faced grid penalties in 2021 after taking a new engine so this is actually common. Hence why there are rules that govern it and penalties given.
It is well within the rules to do so and each time you do, depending on the particular component, you will take a grid place penalty for the race.
Very little of your post disagrees with me.
Mercedes themselves said they would have no power left if they didn’t change.
Are you honestly suggesting Mercedes new engines arent much faster than their old?
LOL, I contradicted your post pointing out:
It actually puts Mercedes at a disadvantage because of the grid penalties
They are not the only team taking extra engines which includes Red Bull
The new engines are not faster as such because all the engines are limited by the rules to a specific output maximumAre the new engines faster than the ones they are replacing? Well clearly yes because the engine being replaced is not functioning correctly and/or has lost power and/or is below acceptable tolerances for the team and they are prepared to take the penalty.
And exactly the same applies to all the other teams taking new engines.
To single out Mercedes and saying they have an advantage for taking extra engines is just stupid because what they are doing is within the rules and they are penalised for taking a new engine, just as all the other teams doing so are as well.
As I said, Mercedes are clearly having reliability/performance issues with the engines, as the F1 commentators are at pains to point out repeatedly during the broadcasts and the F1 shows. So by taking a new engine, they aren't gaining any advantage, rather it puts them back to where they should be with an engine that is performing to spec and they consider the tradeoff of a grid penalty worth it.
