NZ cricket 2021
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Im guessing the two tests we just played against England dont count for anything, except pride?
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@crucial yeah pretty much. If lightening were to strike twice look out for the 2 of the big 3 that don't make it to have a fucking cry about how much harder it is with more tests, and that we didn't even play them (aye Aussie you fucking stains)
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If the ICC reverts back to points to decide the next finalists then playing only a 2-test series can have its advantages. There are 120 pts per series so that will be 60 pts per test win as opposed to 24 pts in a 5 test series. Of course, the NZ players want to play more, but you wouldn't put it past the ICC to tweak their system (again) to get their desired result.
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@virgil said in NZ cricket 2021:
really no reason why our 2 home series vs SA and SL cant be 3 matches.
Well there is a reason...im assuming both series will have about 190 T20i matches between them.....You answered your own question unfortunately.
I am hoping our recent success will breathe more life into the oldest and purest form of the game but unfortunately this probably would have occurred more on a greater scale if India won.
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@crucial said in NZ cricket 2021:
I’d like to hear the justification for longer series between certain countries.
“Because we are the best teams” holds about as much water as the Mary Roseit's money. and history. and they are unashamedly all about that
I mean, England won 7 and lost 24 tests against Australia between 1990 and 2004 (when they sorted themselves out), 7 times by an innings, another 10 times by at least 8 wickets/200 runs. Were they relegated to 2 test "tours" at the start of the summer? were they fuck. 5 prime tests for the Ashes regular as clockwork.
They do not give a fuck. Which is why that win was so much sweeter.
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@virgil said in NZ cricket 2021:
Highlights the simple fact that we are a tier 2 cricket nation.
We can win all the fucking trophy's in the cricketing world (and make finals), that wont change a thing.
I do love the tradition of the Ashes, the story, the history etc. Long may that continue…….but the fact is nowadays we are CONSIDERABLY better than one of the teams who contests it ( Aus should fucken kill them at the end of the year ) and should be rewarded with longer series.
But yeah will it happen anytime soon ? Doubtful……
Instead as a refreshing change we get Bangladesh touring for two tests ( which will be two consecutive arse rapings ) and South Africa.
At least England to their credit are giving us three tests there next year.
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@bovidae said in NZ cricket 2021:
If the ICC reverts back to points to decide the next finalists then playing only a 2-test series can have its advantages. There are 120 pts per series so that will be 60 pts per test win as opposed to 24 pts in a 5 test series. Of course, the NZ players want to play more, but you wouldn't put it past the ICC to tweak their system (again) to get their desired result.
They have changed.
Not based on series anymore.
12 points for a win, 4 for a draw. The leaderboard based on points per match.NZ are hamstringing themselves by only playing 2 test series at home. One of our away test series will be 3 matches. We will have 7 away tests and 6 home tests in this cycle. David White. H@te2 teSt cr!cket.
If NZ wants to give itself best chance of making final again it should be piling on the number of home tests v Bang and SL.
If NZ wants a few more tests because they actually like good cricket, then they should make the home series v SA 3 tests.
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@rapido Really? What's the point then if the teams don't play the same number of tests? The
BCCIICC should just decide who plays in the final now and save us the effort.An away tour to Pakistan, the first in decades, will be a big challenge for NZ.
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@bovidae said in NZ cricket 2021:
@rapido Really? What's the point then if the teams don't play the same number of tests? The
BCCIICC should just decide who plays in the final now and save us the effort.It's points per test. Which is similar as how the current cycle eventually got decided. Covid meant it changed to points per test. But the points were based on series rather than individual tests.
It's an imperfect system anyway, regardless. As in everyone doesn't play everyone.
I'm not sure if this is better or worse.
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Actually, I am slightly wrong.
Will be based on percentage of points, not points per test.
The standings, however, will be determined by the percentage of points (POP) system. This rule was brought in by the ICC after the pandemic postponed a few series in the previous WTC cycle, creating a discrepancy in the points system. But there is a minor change in that too. In the previous cycle, the POP was calculated keeping the number of series as the base. For example, if a team played 5 series in WTC instead of the scheduled 6, then the highest point it could get was 600 (120 points per series win). Suppose that team earned 450 points then its POP would be 75 as it achieved 75% of the total available points.
In the new system, the POP will be calculated with the number of matches played as the base. England are slated to feature in 21 Tests – the most – in WTC 2, which means they can earn 252 points if they win all. If they don't, their POP will be calculated on the percentage of 252.
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But still, NZ is at a disadvantage if it only schedules 2 test home series, and has any amnount of 3 test overseas series.
E,g, NZ will have 156 points available from its 13 tests in the next cycle.
72 of those points from home tests, 84 of those points in away tests. (Only 46% of the points will be in home tests)Even David White can figure out that maths.
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In comparison. Australia by hosting a 5 match ashes.
- Will play 18 tests. 10 home, 8 away.
- Will be playing for 216 potential points. 56% of those points will be in home tests.
- 120 home points, 96 away points.
More maths, that even David White could do. Or someone could do it for him and tell him.
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The reality for nzc is that every test loses money apparently.
So I'm sure nzc would love to have 3, 4 or 5 test series but we basically can't afford it.
Maybe that's rubbish that nzc are pushing, but given test attendance on week days and low capacity even for 'sellout' venues that makes sense to me.
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@rapido said in NZ cricket 2021:
But still, NZ is at a disadvantage if it only schedules 2 test home series, and has any amnount of 3 test overseas series.
E,g, NZ will have 156 points available from its 13 tests in the next cycle.
72 of those points from home tests, 84 of those points in away tests. (Only 46% of the points will be in home tests)Even David White can figure out that maths.
Given that our only three test series is in England and considering our recent form there, we are a lock for the next final. Only team that can throw a spanner in the works is Pakistan and that series will probably be played in the UAE.
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Anyone know the extent of Kane's elbow injury? I see he has had to pull out of the T20 in England because of it. The elbow has been hanging around for a while now. I have PTSD from Crowe's knee forcing him to retire a few years early, hope Kane is not going down the same path.
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@bayimports same as the last home tests against them didn't count either! I think those were the last of the future tours programme or something?
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@cyclops said in NZ cricket 2021:
The reality for nzc is that every test loses money apparently.
The result last week probably means every home test in the past cycle paid a healthy dividend on the whole.
NZC have the #1 team in two formats so if you can't market that then it is time to clear house.