Klitschko, Fury, Parker, Takam & Joshua
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<p>Happy for you to point out the contradictions..<br><br>
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<p>Just re-read it....as you were apart from one thing.....</p>
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<p>So he's "strong" in the exchanges but needs more power in his punches is that what you're getting at ?</p> -
Hes not got real knock out power but he has overall strength. Legs are solid and his brute strength is good. Boxing can be about leaning on the other guy when you are tired. Limiting their work to trying to get your body off them. It uses a lot of energy but can give the guy exerting the weight a breather. Its an attribute Parker could have used more in his career and hopefully will learn from. But as to his punching power (which I thought he had plenty of) its good-ish. He needs to put on at least another 5-6kgs of muscle across the chest and arms especially. <br><br>
Some will say he will lose speed and itll be more weight to carry on defense(not that he carries them high now anyway) but he'll have dynamite in his punchs.<br><br>
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<p>Hes not got real knock out power but he has overall strength. Legs are solid and his brute strength is good. Boxing can be about leaning on the other guy when you are tired. Limiting their work to trying to get your body off them. It uses a lot of energy but can give the guy exerting the weight a breather. Its an attribute Parker could have used more in his career and hopefully will learn from. But as to his punching power (which I thought he had plenty of) its good-ish. He needs to put on at least another 5-6kgs of muscle across the chest and arms especially.<br><br>
Some will say he will lose speed and itll be more weight to carry on defense(not that he carries them high now anyway) but he'll have dynamite in his punchs.<br><br>
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<p>They're sometimes mutually exclusive.....Ali hit very very fast but not especially hard compared to other bangers of his era like Foreman/Shavers/Liston. Could the punching ( Parkers ) also be down to technique too ?</p> -
<p>I watched a replay , I also wonder about Barry , </p>
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<p>After a combo is thrown he just stands there , flat footed , chin up , hands down , </p>
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<p>he has no head movement , so surely hands should remain high and a sideways step out of the firing line away from the right hand </p> -
Rumors circulating that it may suit Joshua to fight Joe sooner rather than later . <br><br>
With potential fights against fury , haye and wilder on the horizon with nothing set in stone , they may consider the mandatory first to get it out of the way . -
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<p>Rumors circulating that it may suit Joshua to fight Joe sooner rather than later .<br><br>
With potential fights against fury , haye and wilder on the horizon with nothing set in stone , they may consider the mandatory first to get it out of the way .</p>
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<p>Would make sense before JP can train some more. Brush him aside now, Up your record and $$$ before getting into the big ones.</p> -
<p>Joe fighting Solomon Haumono in July </p>
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He'd have harder sparring sessions.
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<p>Joe fighting Solomon Haumono in July </p>
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<p>Surely he can put away another ex leaguie who thinks he's a boxer ? ( although SHs record is very good )</p> -
<p>The real fixture</p>
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<p>The real fixture</p>
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<p>He's still played less sports than SBW</p> -
<p>NRL - NFL - Rugby</p>
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<p>NRL - Rugby - Boxing</p>
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<p>NRL - NFL - Rugby</p>
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<p>NRL - Rugby - Boxing</p>
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<p>Or are you counting 7s and 15s as 2 different sports?</p>
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<p>Solomon is an ex league player , but does have some boxing pedigree , an amateur background as a kid ,<br><br>
and his dad held the Australian heavyweight title,<br><br>
He is quite technically correct , but Joe should be way too good for him with his power and hand speed</p>
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<p>Interesting in Australia , its being billed as Solomons chance at a world title , win this and he gets the mandatory spot against Joshua , </p>
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<p>which is what Joe is up against now, he doesnt need a banana skin </p> -
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<p>NRL - NFL - Rugby</p>
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<p>Or are you counting 7s and 15s as 2 different sports?</p>
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<p>I would. Different physical demands, different tactics and patterns to learn. You effectively have to re-train your body and mind to play Sevens. It is just the basic catch, pass, run skills that are the same (you could then argue that League is the same as well).</p>
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<p>So for the sake of this small argument and a sportsperson training and playing different sports with different requirements then SBW wins (just).</p>
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<p>I don't quite know why SBW gets so much derision about playing different sports though. He is basically playing variations of one sport and adding in taking something his does in his training to a competitive environment as well.</p>
<p>Now compare that to Jeff Wilson who was a prodigious talent in rugby and cricket, with national representation and by all accounts could have probably played for the Tall lacks as well if he had the time to dedicate to a third sport. No one gives him shit about that.</p> -
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<p>I would. Different physical demands, different tactics and patterns to learn. You effectively have to re-train your body and mind to play Sevens. It is just the basic catch, pass, run skills that are the same (you could then argue that League is the same as well).</p>
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<p>So for the sake of this small argument and a sportsperson training and playing different sports with different requirements then SBW wins (just).</p>
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<p>I don't quite know why SBW gets so much derision about playing different sports though. He is basically playing variations of one sport and adding in taking something his does in his training to a competitive environment as well.</p>
<p>Now compare that to Jeff Wilson who was a prodigious talent in rugby and cricket, with national representation and by all accounts could have probably played for the Tall lacks as well if he had the time to dedicate to a third sport. No one gives him shit about that.</p>
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<p>You'd have to say Goldie was a better all round "talent" ( not necessarily "athlete" ) than SBW or Hayne based on what he did. A lot of guys are very good at our winter and summer codes ( Kieran Read and Leon MacDonald to mention a couple, Rod Latham played rugby for Canterbury too ) but it's easy to forget that Wilson did all this to the highest level AND was a brilliant basketballer too which he never found time to play......</p>
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<p>I always wonder where he would have stood in the echelon of Black Caps had he chosen to pursue that....there was a whole lot of decent ODI all rounders at the time so despite the All Blacks being better at what they did than the BCs ever were at that period I suspect he made the right choice.</p>
