Rugby Commentators/Presenters
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@mn5 said in Rugby Commentators:
@kruse said in Rugby Commentators:
@mackerzzzz said in Rugby Commentators:
I'll tell you a real good way of fixing nz commentators. Sack every one we have at the moment and bring in acc and leigh hart
Fuck. Off.
Ever tried running backwards through a field of dicks?
Or chowing down on a bowl of cold flaccid dicks?
Fuck.
Leigh Hart couldn't commentate an order at the pub. Christ, he can hardly speak.
And the ACC - are typically of mild amusement for approximately 5 minutes. After that... well, it's just the first 5 minutes on a repeat loop anyway, with rapidly diminishing returns with each re-hashed lame joke.
Fuck. Leigh Hart and the ACC. Off.I must say I was expecting this rant and it didn’t disappoint.
Awww, shucks.
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@crucial said in Rugby Commentators:
@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial like?
I know a lot of the language used by coaches etc has become the same between codes (eg 'second man play') but until Laban started on TV I had never heard it used commonly. Union used 'skip', 'miss', 'cut out', 'on the cut' etc) Laban is the only one that uses 'second man'all the time.
I also assume (and may be wrong) that 'short blind' is a league term. If not it still annoys me. It's the short side or the blind side. I could understand if he only said it when there was a narrow blindside to work but he says 'short blind' for any blind side move.Yeah it's funny isn't it, I hadn't heard it used either until rugby copied league and started running second man plays. It was never called a bloody skip, miss or cut out! It's a ball behind the players to a second line of men, it describes the actual bloody play - one that rugby copied off league, it would make sense to actually use it's name.
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@crazy-horse said in Rugby Commentators:
@chris-b said in Rugby Commentators:
@tim said in Rugby Commentators:
The relentless negativity of Jeff Wilson. He needs to go.
Someone should invite him to post on the Fern - he sounds like he'd fit in, with massive scope to choose from...
The commentators suck
The players suck
The players brains definitely suck
The coaches suck
The referees suck
The Laws suck
The jerseys suck
The stadia suck
The stadia food and drinks suck
The music sucks
Modern rugby sucks!!!Things have been really negative around here for a while now when it comes to rugby. Seems worse than normal. Are we getting older and grumpier, or does rugby actually suck at the moment?
A little from column A, a little from column B.
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@antipodean said in Rugby Commentators:
@crazy-horse said in Rugby Commentators:
@chris-b said in Rugby Commentators:
@tim said in Rugby Commentators:
The relentless negativity of Jeff Wilson. He needs to go.
Someone should invite him to post on the Fern - he sounds like he'd fit in, with massive scope to choose from...
The commentators suck
The players suck
The players brains definitely suck
The coaches suck
The referees suck
The Laws suck
The jerseys suck
The stadia suck
The stadia food and drinks suck
The music sucks
Modern rugby sucks!!!Things have been really negative around here for a while now when it comes to rugby. Seems worse than normal. Are we getting older and grumpier, or does rugby actually suck at the moment?
A little from column A, a little from column B.
Nah, mostly column A. Reckon column B is quite entertaining.
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@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial said in Rugby Commentators:
@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial like?
I know a lot of the language used by coaches etc has become the same between codes (eg 'second man play') but until Laban started on TV I had never heard it used commonly. Union used 'skip', 'miss', 'cut out', 'on the cut' etc) Laban is the only one that uses 'second man'all the time.
I also assume (and may be wrong) that 'short blind' is a league term. If not it still annoys me. It's the short side or the blind side. I could understand if he only said it when there was a narrow blindside to work but he says 'short blind' for any blind side move.Yeah it's funny isn't it, I hadn't heard it used either until rugby copied league and started running second man plays. It was never called a bloody skip, miss or cut out! It's a ball behind the players to a second line of men, it describes the actual bloody play - one that rugby copied off league, it would make sense to actually use it's name.
I finished up in early 90s and don't think we ever tried it. I think we all thought it'd be shepherding (another olde rugger term). We just had cut backs, miss passes, fullback coming in, wipers kicks or a combination of them all
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@siam said in Rugby Commentators:
@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial said in Rugby Commentators:
@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial like?
I know a lot of the language used by coaches etc has become the same between codes (eg 'second man play') but until Laban started on TV I had never heard it used commonly. Union used 'skip', 'miss', 'cut out', 'on the cut' etc) Laban is the only one that uses 'second man'all the time.
I also assume (and may be wrong) that 'short blind' is a league term. If not it still annoys me. It's the short side or the blind side. I could understand if he only said it when there was a narrow blindside to work but he says 'short blind' for any blind side move.Yeah it's funny isn't it, I hadn't heard it used either until rugby copied league and started running second man plays. It was never called a bloody skip, miss or cut out! It's a ball behind the players to a second line of men, it describes the actual bloody play - one that rugby copied off league, it would make sense to actually use it's name.
I finished up in early 90s and don't think we ever tried it. I think we all thought it'd be shepherding (another olde rugger term). We just had cut backs, miss passes, fullback coming in, wipers kicks or a combination of them all
Does that tally with you young 'uns?Well we'd just abbreviate, because that made it top secret!
DM - double miss, who knew! M2, M3....can you guess? Fuck me it became confusing when I moved to the UK and M2 was actually M1, not to mention every team having a move called "Rangi".
You forgot "Loop" also. I think the closest we had to a second man play was called DB, 10 to 12, 10 loops and gets it back then skips to 15.
And thus ends yet another inspiring lesson of "Shit I didn't need to know".
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@bones said in Rugby Commentators:
And thus ends yet another inspiring lesson of "Shit I didn't need to know".
Oh contrare Blackadder, by far the best post of yours I've ever read. Awesome we jaunt down memory lane.👍
Rangi? Really? quite surprised at the cultural misappropriation- nah just joshing. Obviously passed on by kiwis before you.
Loop, like a double round yeah? Nasty one for a slow and slovenly ball passer to get smashed.
Confession; if passing the ball to the guy cutting back was there a best way to flick him the ball. I mean left or right because one way left you front on and t'other turned your back on the defence...I think. Like he gets it just before running by you or just after running by you If that's not explained well enough, just ignore and I'll happily go to my grave not knowing🙂
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@siam said in Rugby Commentators:
Swannell is the new bench mark for the game calling role. Clear, accurate and comprehensive with names and adds apt adjectives to what we can see for ourselves. Good at her job.
For me, the benchmark for game-calling is the UK's Andrew Cotter - the bloke is really, really good.
But yeah, I also enjoy Rikki Swannell's commentary - like you I think she's bloody good and the best in NZ.
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I take one day off posting and That Guy gets suggested for commentary. If DMac gets a card for slightly brushing above the shoulder then this poster should be banned for life.
Clearly I need to be more vigilant or this place will degenerate.
Also well said @Kruse
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:
Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?
For someone who criticised him lots as a player I actually find his “aw shucks” demeanour quite endearing.
He’s revolutionised broadcasting too, I’ve never heard anyone refer to Dave Rennie as “bro” before !
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:
Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?
He is absolutely terrible. Some people simply should not be in front of the camera. I'd even put McGod in that category. But he's too busy flying helicopters and shit.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:
Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?
He is absolutely terrible. Some people simply should not be in front of the camera. I'd even put McGod in that category. But he's too busy flying helicopters and shit.
I don't like Kieran Read as a comments guy either
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Just because you are a good player doesn't mean you are a good commentator.
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@MN5 said in Bledisloe 2:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:
Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?
For someone who criticised him lots as a player I actually find his “aw shucks” demeanour quite endearing.
He’s revolutionised broadcasting too, I’ve never heard anyone refer to Dave Rennie as “bro” before !
The demeanour is fine, it's the absolutely pathetic 12 year old kid could do better analysis that's the problem. It's such a waste of time that it hurts listening to it. Seriously the best you can hope for is for him to get a meaningless cliche correct.
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@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:
Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?
He is absolutely terrible. Some people simply should not be in front of the camera. I'd even put McGod in that category. But he's too busy flying helicopters and shit.
I don't like Kieran Read as a comments guy either
He’s pretty poor too it must be said. Loved him as a player but his “expert comments” are very bland and inoffensive. Definitely doesn’t want to bite the hand that’S feeding him and say what he really thinks.
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:
Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?
I wonder if because he is such a well known figure in both codes , and Aussie rugby struggles for attention,
They see it as a marketing tool to have this celebrity type ex player
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SBW's deal is with Channel 9 so he commentates both League & Rugby (not to mention his boxing events on Stan etc)
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@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:
Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?
He is absolutely terrible. Some people simply should not be in front of the camera. I'd even put McGod in that category. But he's too busy flying helicopters and shit.
I don't like Kieran Read as a comments guy either
Yeah he's terrible.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe 2:
Just because you are a good player doesn't mean you are a good commentator.
Yep. Marshall, Muliaina, Wilson and even Parsons are good. They're knowledgeable, fluent and think quickly on their feet. Unfortunately SBW does none of that, it's so painful to watch I actually feel sorry for him. For those of us in Aus watching Stan, Turunui and Harrison are the best of the bunch.
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@Kruse said in Rugby Commentators/Presenters:
@taniwharugby said in Rugby Commentators:
@crucial is the guy on the right Derpus?
I'm no lip-reader, but he does seem to be ranting "Super Rugby Trans Ta$man is shit, let's take our ball and go home and just play with ourselves".
To be fair Derpus also rants on Australian Rugby, so perhaps it should read
"Super Rugby Trans Ta$man is shit, let's take our ball and go home and just play with ourselves. And we won't even get that right".
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@MN5 said in Rugby Commentators/Presenters:
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe 2:
@voodoo said in Bledisloe 2:
Fuck SBW is bad. Why is he employed? Surely it's some sort of work experience, we're not actually paying him are we?
He is absolutely terrible. Some people simply should not be in front of the camera. I'd even put McGod in that category. But he's too busy flying helicopters and shit.
I don't like Kieran Read as a comments guy either
He’s pretty poor too it must be said. Loved him as a player but his “expert comments” are very bland and inoffensive. Definitely doesn’t want to bite the hand that’S feeding him and say what he really thinks.
You could say that about nearly all of the Sky talking heads. Then Kirwan is the opposite extreme where he just spouts rubbish.
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I like Read. Sure he looks like a deer in the headlights, amd he's not inspiring, but that's not his job. I think he's really observant of the game tactics and asks insightful (but not challenging) questions
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It's often a very fine line between appearing genuine and not just spouting boilerplate rubbish. I don't watch NRL very often but I get the impression that many of their commentators are just too overrehearsed and almost appear carbon copies of each other.
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My tolerance for Parsons as a commentator is low. We've got the increase in volume when he gets excited, his overuse of the same phrase in replays (Go you good thing!), and a desire to inject quotes into the commentary.
And speaking of commentators, I didn't even get to watch all of the Wellington-Waikato game, but in what I did see Laban was going all-Nisbo by mis-identifying Waikato players.
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Either Sonny-Bill is having a massive laugh or he actually forgets he’s on camera. It’s too funny to not watch!
I don’t mind Harrison. Turunui is a bit of a whinger.
Parsons and Hames, nup can’t listen to either.
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I was 15mins to the Test before I realised why it was so much more enjoyable than normal. No TJ.
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Bring back John Howson and transistor radio.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Rugby Commentators/Presenters:
Either Sonny-Bill is having a massive laugh or he actually forgets he’s on camera. It’s too funny to not watch!
I don’t mind Harrison. Turunui is a bit of a whinger.
Parsons and Hames, nup can’t listen to either.
Potentially train wreck TV. Compulsive viewing
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@ACT-Crusader said in Rugby Commentators/Presenters:
Either Sonny-Bill is having a massive laugh or he actually forgets he’s on camera. It’s too funny to not watch!
I don’t mind Harrison. Turunui is a bit of a whinger.
Parsons and Hames, nup can’t listen to either.
I agree about Harrison, much prefer him as commentator to player. But not the most incisive on strategy
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@broughie said in Rugby Commentators/Presenters:
Bring back John Howson and transistor radio.
He was awesome. Showing your age.
IIRC he gave away the head commentary job for Radio NZ as a result of the '81 Springbok tour. Set up an independent news and sport broadcast company.
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@broughie said in Rugby Commentators/Presenters:
Bring back John Howson and transistor radio.
Or Winston McCarthy and the crystal set.
And no, well before my time.
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Justin Harrison is a funny one. Couldn't stand him as a player and is extremely biased towards any Aussie SR team, but at the same time I like him and his clear passion for Aussie rugby. I actually don't mind the aussie commentary at all tbh.
Jeff Wilson and Ken Laban are the only 2 that I have any time for out of the NZ guys.
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@African-Monkey said in Rugby Commentators/Presenters:
Justin Harrison is a funny one. Couldn't stand him as a player and is extremely biased towards any Aussie SR team, but at the same time I like him and his clear passion for Aussie rugby. I actually don't mind the aussie commentary at all tbh.
Jeff Wilson and Ken Laban are the only 2 that I have any time for out of the NZ guys.
Agree, I enjoy Justin Harrison. He's openly in favour of Aussie rugby and their teams, but he enjoys any good play, as well as a bit of push 'n shove.
Basically I enjoy anybody whose talking when Sean Maloney isn't. I really can't stand him as a commentator.
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@African-Monkey said in Rugby Commentators/Presenters:
Justin Harrison is a funny one. Couldn't stand him as a player and is extremely biased towards any Aussie SR team, but at the same time I like him and his clear passion for Aussie rugby. I actually don't mind the aussie commentary at all tbh.
Jeff Wilson and Ken Laban are the only 2 that I have any time for out of the NZ guys.
Like Justin H too. Also Joel Stransky on any Saffa commentary - knowledgeable, calm and doesn't knows when to speak and keep quiet
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Justin Harrison makes me want to.cut my ears off. Says a lot without saying anything and just repeats the same crap every game. "Win the contest". "Run at inside shoulders".
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The crop of commentators at the moment are all shocking imo.
Marshal makes me want to find him and sock him.
Nisbo should have retired 10 years ago.
Johnson average at best.
Jk one of the few I don't mind
Wilson ok but very biased
Mills sounds about as intellectual as a five year old.
Rikki s average
Laban is way to over eager at times.
Hames waaaaay to much dribble and is an extremely boring talker
Parsons like Hames but more thick
SBW sounds like a complete retard
Mertens total windger
Harrison excessively biasedCan't remember the rest (yes I know some are aussies)
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@Mackerzzzz said in Rugby Commentators/Presenters:
The crop of commentators at the moment are all shocking imo.
Marshal makes me want to find him and sock him.
Nisbo should have retired 10 years ago.
Johnson average at best.
Jk one of the few I don't mind
Wilson ok but very biased
Mills sounds about as intellectual as a five year old.
Rikki s average
Laban is way to over eager at times.
Hames waaaaay to much dribble and is an extremely boring talker
Parsons like Hames but more thick
SBW sounds like a complete retard
Mertens total windger
Harrison excessively biasedCan't remember the rest (yes I know some are aussies)
Comes across as an overexcited school kid.
I actually don’t mind Mertz, but he does get things dead wrong at times (eg the Papalii incident).
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@ACT-Crusader said in Rugby Commentators/Presenters:
@Mackerzzzz said in Rugby Commentators/Presenters:
The crop of commentators at the moment are all shocking imo.
Marshal makes me want to find him and sock him.
Nisbo should have retired 10 years ago.
Johnson average at best.
Jk one of the few I don't mind
Wilson ok but very biased
Mills sounds about as intellectual as a five year old.
Rikki s average
Laban is way to over eager at times.
Hames waaaaay to much dribble and is an extremely boring talker
Parsons like Hames but more thick
SBW sounds like a complete retard
Mertens total windger
Harrison excessively biasedCan't remember the rest (yes I know some are aussies)
Comes across as an overexcited school kid.
I actually don’t mind Mertz, but he does get things dead wrong at times (eg the Papalii incident).
Pffft, Paps did a staple bro, he was asking for it!!!
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@Mackerzzzz said in Rugby Commentators/Presenters:
The crop of commentators at the moment are all shocking imo.
Marshal makes me want to find him and sock him.
Nisbo should have retired 10 years ago.
Johnson average at best.
Jk one of the few I don't mind
Wilson ok but very biased
Mills sounds about as intellectual as a five year old.
Rikki s average
Laban is way to over eager at times.
Hames waaaaay to much dribble and is an extremely boring talker
Parsons like Hames but more thick
SBW sounds like a complete retard
Mertens total windger
Harrison excessively biasedCan't remember the rest (yes I know some are aussies)
Well I like Mils, Laban (I don't mind someone who actually knows where players come from and loves the game) and Hames maybe boring to you, but I find interesting as he knows the laws and game, same as Parsons he knows the game.
I don't need the commentators to be exactly as I want, and actually enjoy the difference, and if one or two annoy me now and then just kind of shrug my shoulders. I pretty easy to please, as I take much more notice of what I see anyway, not what I hear, think it's why I like watching games live at park.
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