The Crusaders and their success
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@rancid-schnitzel you mean when he had conrad outside him?
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@kiwiwomble said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel you mean when he had conrad outside him?
He did ok with Nonu inside him.........😐
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@rancid-schnitzel wasn't bagging Nonu, was more a point about how partnerships can make a huge difference, when im pcking a team i often find myself picking front rows that play together, locking pairs, centre pairs etc
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@kiwiwomble said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel wasn't bagging Nonu, was more a point about how partnerships can make a huge difference, when im pcking a team i often find myself picking front rows that play together, locking pairs, centre pairs etc
No offence taken. I completely agree. It was obvious that Nonu needed everything to be right for him to produce his best. Whether that be the coach, the systems or familiar faces outside him.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
Mauger was shit hot at Super level and certainly had his moments at test level as well. To claim otherwise would be utterly absurd.
Questioning Mauger as an astonishing talent alongside McCaw & Carter is utterly absurd? Thought about applying for TMO school bro?
My bad. Mauger was shit and played no part in the success of that team.
Noooo way! He's an astonishing talent! Right up there with McCaw & Carter! And Ellis! And Blackadder! And Broomhall! And Ralph! ASTONISHING
He was an astonishing talent.
Now feel free to contribute to the topic of the thread.
He wasn't. There you go.
I think he was. Unfortunately he didn’t consistently realise that potential at test level but when on song he was a phenomenal player. So we’ll just agree to disagree. At no stage did I say he was as good as McCaw or Carte. But along with those 2 he was a massive reason for their “second coming” around 2002 onwards.
You listed 3 players as astonishing, I posted a puzzled gif in return and you immediately knew who was the puzzling player...I never named him. But yeah, "astonishing" isn't even questionable let alone absurd.
Can't wait to hear about phenomenal Ralph.
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@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
Mauger was shit hot at Super level and certainly had his moments at test level as well. To claim otherwise would be utterly absurd.
Questioning Mauger as an astonishing talent alongside McCaw & Carter is utterly absurd? Thought about applying for TMO school bro?
My bad. Mauger was shit and played no part in the success of that team.
Noooo way! He's an astonishing talent! Right up there with McCaw & Carter! And Ellis! And Blackadder! And Broomhall! And Ralph! ASTONISHING
He was an astonishing talent.
Now feel free to contribute to the topic of the thread.
He wasn't. There you go.
I think he was. Unfortunately he didn’t consistently realise that potential at test level but when on song he was a phenomenal player. So we’ll just agree to disagree. At no stage did I say he was as good as McCaw or Carte. But along with those 2 he was a massive reason for their “second coming” around 2002 onwards.
You listed 3 players as astonishing, I posted a puzzled gif in return and you immediately knew who was the puzzling player...I never named him. But yeah, "astonishing" isn't even questionable let alone absurd.
Can't wait to hear about phenomenal Ralph.
Yeah whatever Bones. I stand by what I said. He was an astonishing talent and deserves to be grouped together with the other two for his contribution to the Saders success from 2002 onwards. Now feel free to do something out of character and actually contribute to the topic of the thread.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
Mauger was shit hot at Super level and certainly had his moments at test level as well. To claim otherwise would be utterly absurd.
Questioning Mauger as an astonishing talent alongside McCaw & Carter is utterly absurd? Thought about applying for TMO school bro?
My bad. Mauger was shit and played no part in the success of that team.
Noooo way! He's an astonishing talent! Right up there with McCaw & Carter! And Ellis! And Blackadder! And Broomhall! And Ralph! ASTONISHING
He was an astonishing talent.
Now feel free to contribute to the topic of the thread.
He wasn't. There you go.
I think he was. Unfortunately he didn’t consistently realise that potential at test level but when on song he was a phenomenal player. So we’ll just agree to disagree. At no stage did I say he was as good as McCaw or Carte. But along with those 2 he was a massive reason for their “second coming” around 2002 onwards.
You listed 3 players as astonishing, I posted a puzzled gif in return and you immediately knew who was the puzzling player...I never named him. But yeah, "astonishing" isn't even questionable let alone absurd.
Can't wait to hear about phenomenal Ralph.
Yeah whatever Bones. I stand by what I said. He was an astonishing talent and deserves to be grouped together with the other two for his contribution to the Saders success from 2002 onwards. Now feel free to do something out of character and actually contribute to the topic of the thread.
You don't need to make stuff up to try and support a point. Now feel free to PM me again with more attempted abuse if you like.
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@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
Mauger was shit hot at Super level and certainly had his moments at test level as well. To claim otherwise would be utterly absurd.
Questioning Mauger as an astonishing talent alongside McCaw & Carter is utterly absurd? Thought about applying for TMO school bro?
My bad. Mauger was shit and played no part in the success of that team.
Noooo way! He's an astonishing talent! Right up there with McCaw & Carter! And Ellis! And Blackadder! And Broomhall! And Ralph! ASTONISHING
He was an astonishing talent.
Now feel free to contribute to the topic of the thread.
He wasn't. There you go.
I think he was. Unfortunately he didn’t consistently realise that potential at test level but when on song he was a phenomenal player. So we’ll just agree to disagree. At no stage did I say he was as good as McCaw or Carte. But along with those 2 he was a massive reason for their “second coming” around 2002 onwards.
You listed 3 players as astonishing, I posted a puzzled gif in return and you immediately knew who was the puzzling player...I never named him. But yeah, "astonishing" isn't even questionable let alone absurd.
Can't wait to hear about phenomenal Ralph.
Yeah whatever Bones. I stand by what I said. He was an astonishing talent and deserves to be grouped together with the other two for his contribution to the Saders success from 2002 onwards. Now feel free to do something out of character and actually contribute to the topic of the thread.
You don't need to make stuff up to try and support a point. Now feel free to PM me again with more attempted abuse if you like.
Making what up?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
Mauger was shit hot at Super level and certainly had his moments at test level as well. To claim otherwise would be utterly absurd.
Questioning Mauger as an astonishing talent alongside McCaw & Carter is utterly absurd? Thought about applying for TMO school bro?
My bad. Mauger was shit and played no part in the success of that team.
Noooo way! He's an astonishing talent! Right up there with McCaw & Carter! And Ellis! And Blackadder! And Broomhall! And Ralph! ASTONISHING
He was an astonishing talent.
Now feel free to contribute to the topic of the thread.
He wasn't. There you go.
I think he was. Unfortunately he didn’t consistently realise that potential at test level but when on song he was a phenomenal player. So we’ll just agree to disagree. At no stage did I say he was as good as McCaw or Carte. But along with those 2 he was a massive reason for their “second coming” around 2002 onwards.
You listed 3 players as astonishing, I posted a puzzled gif in return and you immediately knew who was the puzzling player...I never named him. But yeah, "astonishing" isn't even questionable let alone absurd.
Can't wait to hear about phenomenal Ralph.
Yeah whatever Bones. I stand by what I said. He was an astonishing talent and deserves to be grouped together with the other two for his contribution to the Saders success from 2002 onwards. Now feel free to do something out of character and actually contribute to the topic of the thread.
You don't need to make stuff up to try and support a point. Now feel free to PM me again with more attempted abuse if you like.
Making what up?
You ok?I'm astonishing.
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@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
Mauger was shit hot at Super level and certainly had his moments at test level as well. To claim otherwise would be utterly absurd.
Questioning Mauger as an astonishing talent alongside McCaw & Carter is utterly absurd? Thought about applying for TMO school bro?
My bad. Mauger was shit and played no part in the success of that team.
Noooo way! He's an astonishing talent! Right up there with McCaw & Carter! And Ellis! And Blackadder! And Broomhall! And Ralph! ASTONISHING
He was an astonishing talent.
Now feel free to contribute to the topic of the thread.
He wasn't. There you go.
I think he was. Unfortunately he didn’t consistently realise that potential at test level but when on song he was a phenomenal player. So we’ll just agree to disagree. At no stage did I say he was as good as McCaw or Carte. But along with those 2 he was a massive reason for their “second coming” around 2002 onwards.
You listed 3 players as astonishing, I posted a puzzled gif in return and you immediately knew who was the puzzling player...I never named him. But yeah, "astonishing" isn't even questionable let alone absurd.
Can't wait to hear about phenomenal Ralph.
Yeah whatever Bones. I stand by what I said. He was an astonishing talent and deserves to be grouped together with the other two for his contribution to the Saders success from 2002 onwards. Now feel free to do something out of character and actually contribute to the topic of the thread.
You don't need to make stuff up to try and support a point. Now feel free to PM me again with more attempted abuse if you like.
Making what up?
You ok?I'm astonishing.
What was I making up?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
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@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
That’s simply my opinion. Sorry if that offends you so much.
Now do you have anything to actually contribute to the topic of the thread?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
That’s simply my opinion. Sorry if that offends you so much.
Now do you have anything to actually contribute to the topic of the thread?
I'm not offended. I'm offering my opinion, I would imagine it's shared by many others too. Only one person here is offended, even enough to PM me!
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@toddy said in The Crusaders and their success:
They've been lucky enough to have some absolute gun 1st 5's through their times as champions (Mehrts, Carter and now Mo'unga). You still need a good team to win a title but a world class 1st five is probably your first wish as a coach.
Quality attacking 1st 5s have been pretty integral in getting super rugby success
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@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
@bones said in The Crusaders and their success:
@rancid-schnitzel said in The Crusaders and their success:
astonishing talent (McCaw, Carter and Mauger)
That’s simply my opinion. Sorry if that offends you so much.
Now do you have anything to actually contribute to the topic of the thread?
I'm not offended. I'm offering my opinion, I would imagine it's shared by many others too. Only one person here is offended, even enough to PM me!
That’s lovely.
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@mariner4life I often think there must be some sort of intangible around it. The whole “succeed breeds success” philosophy. Yes talent and ability are important, but there’s is something that turns that switch within and pushes an expectation level because of what has been achieved previously.
Again imagine walking into the hallway of Christchurch HQ and seeing cups and trophies donning the shelves and then doing the same walk in Welly or Dunners.
Now such ‘inspiration’ is a two edged sword where a player comes in and just expects it to happen because they have the red n black on and that’s not good.
But I think the evidence of success suggests that many a player (not all) has bought into it. Now this stuff can’t be proved or may not make much logical sense, but having spoken to past players and coaches, they have talked about these intangibles.
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@rancid-schnitzel won lots, innit.
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I'm not saying this is the whole story at all, because they clearly have excellent management, great coaching (and pathways for good coaches), and a fantastic culture, but the NZRFU and the system within which they work also essentially keeps them clear of the field, because there is no effective salary cap operating which prevents them from gaining, and then keeping the best talent. At one point they had probably the five best players in the country (Carter, McCaw, Read, Whitelock, Franks) plus a bunch of others (Dagg, Romano, Ellis, Crotty, Crockett) and there was no financial pressure that then prevented them from being able to sign up the younger talent to play behind them (Slade, Taylor, Moody, Todd, Laulala). Some of these they did develop of course, but my point is only that the current system allows teams to store talent. The only time that another team was on top was when the blues had their past talent (same story) and for a couple of years when the Chiefs and Canes got lucky enough to have some battlers and a few Superstars to be able to compete.
Again, I don't think it's the whole story at all, but because they don't have to really make hard choices about keeping high paid players or developing/bringing in new ones, they are now naturally advantaged. NZ rugby will foot the bill, and I'm fine with that as I'll choose the ABs winning over the Chiefs (luckily), but its worth noting that the game is ever so slightly rigged.
It is now turning the Blues way as they've developed some talent and are now becoming a destination - Laulala is a great example of this, as he's essentially signed to be the back-up there, but because most of his salary comes from the NZRFU, it doesn't matter, and we would rather he switch out with Ofa than go overseas. -
@mariner4life said in The Crusaders and their success:
@toddy said in The Crusaders and their success:
They've been lucky enough to have some absolute gun 1st 5's through their times as champions (Mehrts, Carter and now Mo'unga). You still need a good team to win a title but a world class 1st five is probably your first wish as a coach.
There's a bit in that. As a country we don't produce too many really good ones, and thr other sides have lost theirs early every bloody time. Right back to Nick Evans.
Define “really good”? Because since about 95 we’ve been consistently decent in that position.
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The clear theme from this thread is that quality administration and organisational health is the key to success.
Yet people focus completely on the short term, sugar hits of a star signing. That usually doesn't deliver what you think ... but keeps fans happy and the coach from being sacked for another year.
