Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..
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Not saying Beaver won the game on his own, just pointing out he had more than a few demons to conquer and did pretty well overall in the context of that game.
If we'd had a fit DC for that game, we'd have won a lot easier and they'd be no teeth marks on the back of my sofa.
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@shark said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
Best 10 ever and one of the very best All Blacks ever. Possibly our best ever back.
Best back I've seen anywhere by some margin.
As for Beaver's part in the RWC final, he was adequate under pressure but nearly blew that kick.
He only needed to be adequate under pressure and not miss the kick. He was and he didn't.
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@victor-meldrew said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
Not saying Beaver won the game on his own, just pointing out he had more than a few demons to conquer and did pretty well overall in the context of that game.
If we'd had a fit DC for that game, we'd have won a lot easier and they'd be no teeth marks on the back of my sofa.
I don't think even Beavers folks would think he was remotely in DCs class as a player, but it's a great story of redemption and he became part of history.
They made a fucken movie about it, admittedly it was terrible and cringy in a way kiwi movies often are but the point still stands.
I bet he hasn't had to buy too many Waikato Draughts in the last ten years.
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Remember sitting in stands at Newlands watching him playing 12 for Crusaders and thinking how well he was reading the space on the field. Just wow. By the time he got the 10 jersey he was just a complete joy to watch without fail. Unquestionably the greatest 10 of the modern game. Thanks for the memories DC —
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@victor-meldrew said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
Not saying Beaver won the game on his own, just pointing out he had more than a few demons to conquer and did pretty well overall in the context of that game.
If we'd had a fit DC for that game, we'd have won a lot easier and they'd be no teeth marks on the back of my sofa.
If DC was fit for the final we'd have destroyed France. As it was we should've been clear at halftime but for Piri missing some easy kicks to keep the he scoreboard pressure mounting.
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@antipodean said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@victor-meldrew said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
Not saying Beaver won the game on his own, just pointing out he had more than a few demons to conquer and did pretty well overall in the context of that game.
If we'd had a fit DC for that game, we'd have won a lot easier and they'd be no teeth marks on the back of my sofa.
If DC was fit for the final we'd have destroyed France. As it was we should've been clear at halftime but for Piri missing some easy kicks to keep the he scoreboard pressure mounting.
And dagg being a fucking hungus
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My wife was expecting any day around the 2nd Lions test so going to the pub early in the morning (in Norway) was something of a risk. But thankfully my son stayed put for a few days and I could witness history. What a performance.After that there was pressure from the family to call him Daniel.
Most legendary 10s seem to be brilliant at certain aspects of the game but not everything. Some are amazing kickers and great at controlling the game, but not the best at running (Fox, Botha, Wilkinson). Others are ridiculous with ball in hand but not great at kicking (Carlos, Barrett). But Carter was different. He was brilliant at everything. Easily the best 10 of all time and I’m not sure we’ll ever see another quite like him.
Such a shame he was injured in 2011. He was absolutely on fire. But 2015 was epic. That was him giving a massive fark you to the haters.
He also appears to be an absolute champion bloke and role model. We were so lucky to have him.
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@antipodean said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@victor-meldrew said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
Not saying Beaver won the game on his own, just pointing out he had more than a few demons to conquer and did pretty well overall in the context of that game.
If we'd had a fit DC for that game, we'd have won a lot easier and they'd be no teeth marks on the back of my sofa.
If DC was fit for the final we'd have destroyed France. As it was we should've been clear at halftime but for Piri missing some easy kicks to keep the he scoreboard pressure mounting.
Piri twinged a groin or something in the warm up, it was even on the TV during the build up - doing some kicking practise and he just hitched and limped for a bit. But he saved our arse leading upto that game, remember the Keep Calm Piri's On posters. He really stepped up, such a shamw for all our stress levels that he was injured and kicked like shit.
@rancid-schnitzel said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
My wife was expecting any day around the 2nd Lions test so going to the pub early in the morning (in Norway) was something of a risk. But thankfully my son stayed put for a few days and I could witness history. What a performance.After that there was pressure from the family to call him Daniel.
My second was due around the test, and I had to give my ticket away. Still haven't forgiven the little fucker
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@mariner4life said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@antipodean said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@victor-meldrew said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
Not saying Beaver won the game on his own, just pointing out he had more than a few demons to conquer and did pretty well overall in the context of that game.
If we'd had a fit DC for that game, we'd have won a lot easier and they'd be no teeth marks on the back of my sofa.
If DC was fit for the final we'd have destroyed France. As it was we should've been clear at halftime but for Piri missing some easy kicks to keep the he scoreboard pressure mounting.
And dagg being a fucking hungus
First half?
Second half... Smith and Kahui 2 on 1 ... Dusatoir scores ... how the he'll did that happen ?!
Hungus
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@mariner4life said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@antipodean said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@victor-meldrew said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
Not saying Beaver won the game on his own, just pointing out he had more than a few demons to conquer and did pretty well overall in the context of that game.
If we'd had a fit DC for that game, we'd have won a lot easier and they'd be no teeth marks on the back of my sofa.
If DC was fit for the final we'd have destroyed France. As it was we should've been clear at halftime but for Piri missing some easy kicks to keep the he scoreboard pressure mounting.
And dagg being a fucking hungus
I wouldn't know, I haven't watched the game since being there in 2011. I'll take your word for it
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@canefan said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@mariner4life said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@antipodean said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@victor-meldrew said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
Not saying Beaver won the game on his own, just pointing out he had more than a few demons to conquer and did pretty well overall in the context of that game.
If we'd had a fit DC for that game, we'd have won a lot easier and they'd be no teeth marks on the back of my sofa.
If DC was fit for the final we'd have destroyed France. As it was we should've been clear at halftime but for Piri missing some easy kicks to keep the he scoreboard pressure mounting.
And dagg being a fucking hungus
I wouldn't know, I haven't watched the game since being there in 2011. I'll take your word for it
Neither, watched in a pub, sweated 3kgs out, didn't enjoy a minute of it, never seen it again.
I recall Piri trying to kick a loose ball to someone that ended badly rather than gathering it - did that even happen or is it just a random (not) memory???
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@voodoo said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@canefan said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@mariner4life said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@antipodean said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@victor-meldrew said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
Not saying Beaver won the game on his own, just pointing out he had more than a few demons to conquer and did pretty well overall in the context of that game.
If we'd had a fit DC for that game, we'd have won a lot easier and they'd be no teeth marks on the back of my sofa.
If DC was fit for the final we'd have destroyed France. As it was we should've been clear at halftime but for Piri missing some easy kicks to keep the he scoreboard pressure mounting.
And dagg being a fucking hungus
I wouldn't know, I haven't watched the game since being there in 2011. I'll take your word for it
Neither, watched in a pub, sweated 3kgs out, didn't enjoy a minute of it, never seen it again.
I recall Piri trying to kick a loose ball to someone that ended badly rather than gathering it - did that even happen or is it just a random (not) memory???
Yes I remember that. He went back to retrieve a loose ball and kicked out at it? They might have gathered and ultimately scored from it. After his heroics it was a shame Piri couldn't stay fit to finish the job off. It all ended well though
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The GOAT 10 by a fair margin. Outstanding in every facet of the game. A supremely talented player that had the work ethic to maximise his talents. We won't see another 10 half as good again.
Johnny was the right 10 for that 03 English team but he was nowhere near Carter's level. Anyone that claims otherwise is taking the piss.
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@no-quarter In one respect I feel you're being a little unfair to Wilkinson. He was a very good all round fly half with all the skills required across the board. The way he often played for England was not always reflective of his talent. A bit of the Rob Andrew factor there. Having said that he had nowhere near the degree of natural talent that Carter possessed, looking laboured in comparison, plus of course Carter also had pace...
I very much agree though with Carter being the GOAT 10. I didn't think I would ever see a 10 that was better all round than Barry John, but I have and feel privileged to watch him play.
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@catogrande said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@no-quarter In one respect I feel you're being a little unfair to Wilkinson. He was a very good all round fly half with all the skills required across the board. The way he often played for England was not always reflective of his talent. A bit of the Rob Andrew factor there. Having said that he had nowhere near the degree of natural talent that Carter possessed, looking laboured in comparison, plus of course Carter also had pace...
I very much agree though with Carter being the GOAT 10. I didn't think I would ever see a 10 that was better all round than Barry John, but I have and feel privileged to watch him play.
John wasted his talent and didn't leave as big a yardstick and legacy as he could have.
But fuck was he dynamite in his day, especially with heavy boots and ball
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DC of course the GOAT 10. But Jonny Wilkinson coming back from injury and leading a fairly mediocre side to the 2007 RWC Final and nearly the title was extremely impressive too.
Carter was superb at:
- Attacking vision and awareness.
- Running with the ball in two hands in open play.
- Clean, efficient clearance kicks.
- Flawless defensive technique.
- Goalkicking.
- Work ethic and willingness to learn.
- He brought 100% into every team culture he was part of and was always supportive of his coaches and the other senior players in the teams he played with.
In all seven areas, I think DC was better than Wilkinson and probably better than or as good any other 10 I've seen. Maybe Fox was as a goalkicker and Beauden Barrett as good an open-field runner.
Where perhaps Wilkinson ever so slightly had the edge among the two was his sheer bloody-mindedness at times, perhaps a product of coming into an England team in the late 1990s who weren't very good. He never knew he was beaten and would always try to act against the momentum in a match and sometimes successfully.
I think it is going to be a long, long time, if ever, that we see as good a player in the AB 10 jersey as Dan Carter. It was a massive privilege to witness his career from start to finish and see almost every minute of every one of his Test appearances along the way.
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@catogrande said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@no-quarter In one respect I feel you're being a little unfair to Wilkinson. He was a very good all round fly half with all the skills required across the board. The way he often played for England was not always reflective of his talent. A bit of the Rob Andrew factor there. Having said that he had nowhere near the degree of natural talent that Carter possessed, looking laboured in comparison, plus of course Carter also had pace...
I very much agree though with Carter being the GOAT 10. I didn't think I would ever see a 10 that was better all round than Barry John, but I have and feel privileged to watch him play.
Yeah don't get me wrong, Johnny was a fine player and if he was an AB he would have finished up an AB great without a doubt. But as you say Carters all round game was just freakish and on another level. Beauden has copped it a bit after taking over as we've gone back to a 10 with strengths and weaknesses as opposed to just strengths. Tough gig to follow that's for sure.
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Not only did he play an ungodly number of tests even despite his injuries, but he scored at a higher rate than anyone else in part because he scored a lot of tries and in part because the All Blacks got him a lot of opportunities. Someone will probably surpass him eventually, but his record will take some beating.
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@catogrande said in Dan Carter hanging up his boots ..:
@no-quarter In one respect I feel you're being a little unfair to Wilkinson. He was a very good all round fly half with all the skills required across the board. The way he often played for England was not always reflective of his talent. A bit of the Rob Andrew factor there. Having said that he had nowhere near the degree of natural talent that Carter possessed, looking laboured in comparison, plus of course Carter also had pace...
Wilkinson was a class act. Great all round game and brave as fuck on defence. Leads the pack chasing DC.
I very much agree though with Carter being the GOAT 10. I didn't think I would ever see a 10 that was better all round than Barry John, but I have and feel privileged to watch him play.
I can only go on what I saw of him against the AB's and apart from 1 game (1st Test 1971) I thought him seriously average. For me, really not in the same class as Mike Gibson & Hugo Porta from that era.
