All Blacks 2021
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2021:
I would be curious to know how many games Tony Brown has coached in the last 2 years compared to Foster and if this has any impact on your ability to be a good coach.
ABs will play 15 games this year, plus have time in camp outside that. They are effectively another team...
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To me ABs look better placed going into round 1 TRC this year than last year.
If you look at the likely AB starting XV for Bledisloe 1 it looks stronger than the same team for Bledisloe 1 last year with the exception of loosehead prop. Compare the outside back 3, midfield, loosies, locks.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2021:
I would be curious to know how many games Tony Brown has coached in the last 2 years compared to Foster and if this has any impact on your ability to be a good coach.
ABs will play 15 games this year, plus have time in camp outside that. They are effectively another team...
its not even a rep team anymore, A smith might actually play more games for the AB's this year than super games
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TJP is a bit feisty, isn't he? Hopefully, that transfers onto the field. Not sure he deserves his place based on his 2020 form but he had some work-ons from the coaches to do in Japan, didn't he? He is a really good player so hopefully he can get his halfback skills up and running.
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2021:
TJP is a bit feisty, isn't he?
He's a half back - being a feisty gobby shite is part of the job descrption!
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@frank said in All Blacks 2021:
ABs have the odd psychological motivation of half the country thinking they can't be that good because Foster is coaching them.
l look forward to them 'getting up for it' every second match to prove this point.
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@dagrubster Spot on. Great analysis. Best post I've read on the Fern in a wee while. Thank you!
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
To me ABs look better placed going into round 1 TRC this year than last year.
If you look at the likely AB starting XV for Bledisloe 1 it looks stronger than the same team for Bledisloe 1 last year with the exception of loosehead prop. Compare the outside back 3, midfield, loosies, locks.
Don't disagree, but the first 25-30 minutes of Fiji 2 show the weaknesses of this side. Our skills execution is patchy, and our lineout was terrible. I hope we show up and smash them, but if we don't go well, I suspect we'll see the same again from this side
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph Jesus what a shit show. I guess Fozzie thought what's good for the goose and decided to air his opinion publicly too. But probably a pretty poor option when you've just selected that guy in your team. Fucken hell.
Was a terrible decision by Foster. No winners are ever going to come out of that. Best you get is throwing a senior all black under the bus.
Molehill, meet mountain
It is an unusual u-turn for Foster and his "coaching" team, normally they prefer to select man-mountains and turn them into molehills.
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On a more serious note, the 'let them bash us up and then we will fix it for the second game' mentality has been happening since we've been playing Deans (anybody remember him?) so I think it was even pre-Foster. But I can't tell you how the coaching has greatly changed not just since Foster took over but also when he joined, (well perhaps some position / selection decisions are more farcical) so I'd also question whether continuity has actually been good for the ABs.
But yeah, I wonder where all the strategy/ideas are, we seem to have some for key games then let the other team bash us up every second or third game...Rope-a-dope? Wrong sport to try it in the knockout part of a RWC...As a point of difference though perhaps the forwards are as good as they can be and our real bone of contention should be the increasingly hit and miss backline? Because there we really should have enough talent. For knockout RWC games, apart from not picking Cane to start, and playing a non-specialist 6 against England in 2019 (and check out all the still-familiar names https://www.allblacks.com/news/all-blacks-team-named-for-semifinal-against-england/), was there much the coaches could do? Were there other forwards who could have/should have saved the day? From memory Jacobson was picked to be at 6 (but injured) not 8 so we didn't really have an alternative for Read, A Ioane was out of favour, in the backs R Ioane was out of favour (I think)...we perhaps don't really have depth in the forwards regardless of coaching...
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
was there much the coaches could do? Were there other forwards who could have/should have saved the day?
Losing Luatua overseas a couple of years earlier by selecting Elliot Dixon and Jordan Taufua over him comes to mind...
In the 6 jersey post RWC 2015 behind Kaino they basically put all their eggs in the Squire basket and then couldn't land on an alternative option - they selected a whole bunch of people but for a variety of reasons (sometimes injury) these players never ended up decent game time (Evans, Akira, Taufua, Dixon, Jacobson, Frizell, L Whitelock etc etc).
Basically the same story with Read and the 8 jersey (though more understandable as he was captain).
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@kiwimurph thanks for that, a name I forgot. I liked Luatua (and Vito, but perhaps he was going to leave anyway), and I think they have done ok overseas but not sure they would have made a huge difference. We are light in depth in props (who can scrum and make metres) and locking depth (here is hoping Retallick gets back up to speed, Whitelock can't do everything on his own and the miles on the clock would slow down a lesser mortal)..
Edit: and yes I never quite saw a longterm option in Squire, he was also a bit of a penalty magnet as I recall..
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As far as props go one guy I would like them to try is alex fidow. Dont play him but bring him into the squad to learn of some of the best. He offers something no others do. If they/ someone can teach him how to scrum he could become a weapon.
Having Franks next year hopefully will help tho...
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@mackerzzzz surely the likes of Norris, de Groot, Williams coming through are more worth putting work into?
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@mackerzzzz said in All Blacks 2021:
As far as props go one guy I would like them to try is alex fidow. Dont play him but bring him into the squad to learn of some of the best. He offers something no others do. If they/ someone can teach him how to scrum he could become a weapon.
Having Franks next year hopefully will help tho...
He would certainly need to learn how to scrum hes pretty shit at that.
I think you will find the 20 year old Crusaders props Williams and Newell have been targeted as future ABs a few years back.
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@nostrildamus Squire wasn't physical enough for an AB starting 6. He had a real super rugby style of play where he was like an early version of Luatua with how wide and loose he played. He was great when we were going well and loved getting his hands on the ball when we were on the front foot in games, but couldn't play tight enough when required and would go missing in bigger tests when the going got tough.
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@canes4life said in All Blacks 2021:
I said the same thing with Beaudy and Brodie but unfortunately we just don't have enough world-class players in those areas to ease them back in.
I wonder if Foster & co are so worried about the gap between Nugget and the rest ( I sure am) they thought including TJP was the best option.
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@victor-meldrew maybe so, TJ wasn't in the best form last year but he's better than Weber and Christie in my view even when he's not at his best. Aaron Smith is by far in a way our top option there so let's hope he remains relatively injury-free for most of the year.
