All Blacks 2021
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@old-samurai-jack which forwards? Surely not our loose forwards?
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I am more worried about our backs.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@old-samurai-jack which forwards? Surely not our loose forwards?
he's comparing us to a golden era of AB tight play. Only rates savea, reckons Whitelock/Retallick are past it.
I think the only thing you can say is 'we'll see'. Not sure the Bokke are filling the world with fear right now - the lack of international level rugby will have an effect. Lions tour could be very interesting. Betfair has the lions slightly favourites to win the series, and I agree - and I think the forwards will be a big part of that.
We've seen the NH sides really lift after their 2015 embarassment. Good for them, now we have to do the same
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2021:
We've seen the NH sides really lift after their 2015 embarassment. Good for them, now we have to do the same
Perhaps we should stop sending our coaches and retirees OS to teach them?
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
Keo is the SA version of Ratpoo. Click bait so ignore.
even more clickbait than he used to be since he struck out on his own.
A mate (genuinely not me yo) used to hop on Keo after the Bokke lost and troll them ... very easy to wind up his audience. I don't commend or condemn, but I do understand
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@antipodean Personally, I think one of our failings since the Lions series and one that didn't seem to improve last year was the lack of go forward in our forwards. Predictable pod systems, a lack of pick and go, a lack of getting over the gain line, etc to create space for the backs. Keo is a wind-up merchant with a patch but in this case, there is no smoke without fire, unless the All Black forwards get more efficient, it won't matter which backs will be playing.
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@old-samurai-jack I agree our structure is easily read. Not sure changing players makes a difference.
I'm just furious that after all the talk about imposing ourselves, they coaches selected the team they did to be humiliated by Argentina.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@old-samurai-jack I agree our structure is easily read. Not sure changing players makes a difference.
I'm just furious that after all the talk about imposing ourselves, they coaches selected the team they did to be humiliated by Argentina.
In the last 3 years we have played like a team who thinks they can’t win a physical battle. Makes it easier to defend as you take out nearly half the field
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
It depends which forwards we pick......
In your opinion what is the most hard arsed take no shit 8 (plus bench)we can select.
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
It depends which forwards we pick......
In your opinion what is the most hard arsed take no shit 8 (plus bench)we can select.
Hodgeman
T. Crusader
Laulala
A. Crusader
Tuipulotu
Papalii
T. Cane
IoaneYou got this @KiwiMurph
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@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
It depends which forwards we pick......
In your opinion what is the most hard arsed take no shit 8 (plus bench)we can select.
Of those available in the squad, on the above basis:
DeGroot (just shades Karl on workrate but loses on scrummaging, so wouldn’t make my actual team)
Taylor
Ofa
Whitelock
Retallick
Blackadder (I actually think Robinson but he wasn’t picked)
Paps
Ioane (I think Sotutu is much more Zinzan than Buck, if that makes sense) -
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