All Blacks 2021
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@chris would love to see Sam Nock head to the crusaders , he would thrive in the environment.., has a much faster pass than either Bryn or Mitchell .Mounga won’t know what to do , he’ll have so much time ..
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@higgins said in All Blacks 2021:
Finlay Christie will be the next subject of bitter press attacks from up north in their next tirade on poaching. I appeal to the NZRFU to rescind that particular selection to appease those upset about blatant poaching.
I'm worried he'll get capped.
Why in a team stacked with blindside flankers isn't Big Red selected?
How is it we have so few fit props? The two competent ones make Owen look like a young Jones.
Christie
Mounga
Bridge
Tupaea
Ennor
Barrett
McKenzieNice knowing you bro, good luck with your implosion.
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Anyone know what the wee R pin on the coaches means?
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@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Anyone know what the wee R pin on the coaches means?
R for Retard.
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This is pretty cool:
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That’s a bog average looking All Blacks squad.
Forwards are actually not too bad, but that backline… 🤮
Midfield - let’s hope Havili and Ioane don’t get hurt.
3 fullbacks and only 2 wingers selected, which means we’ll probably see the worlds slowest winger locked into 14 for the season again.
Where are the strike weapons?
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@higgins bring back Sid…!, I reckon if Fakatava had not been injured , there’s your number 2 moving forward under A Smith right there
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@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@yeetyaah said in All Blacks 2021:
Anyone know what the wee R pin on the coaches means?
R for Retard.
Holland's one definitely stands for retard
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@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
Feel sorry for Faingaanuku Ross and Robinson. Felt all 3 earned it. Pressure will be on Ennor Bridge Lomax De Groot Akira and Blackadder to deliver.
I'd say the pressure should also be on all the loosies to perform. Super form does not equal test form. Aside from Ardie none are established test players.
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@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris-b Senior partner in the Crusaders franchise?
Yes!!!
7-5 to us.
The Cantabs are like the older but smaller brother!
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@steven-harris said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris would love to see Sam Nock head to the crusaders , he would thrive in the environment.., has a much faster pass than either Bryn or Mitchell .Mounga won’t know what to do , he’ll have so much time ..
Would like to see that myself. He is a lot like Smith if you really look at his game.Kicks well great pass and his running game is there he just needs the chance and confidence to know he can have a crack.
Not sure On Enari. the Crusaders maybe looking for a young HB to develop, unless they go for Young Luke Donaldson from the Academy I expect he will back up Drummond in the NPC. -
@chris-b said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
@chris-b Senior partner in the Crusaders franchise?
Yes!!!
7-5 to us.
The Cantabs are like the older but smaller brother!
Fuck I forgot about Christie and Lomax.
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@gunner said in All Blacks 2021:
That’s a bog average looking All Blacks squad.
Forwards are actually not too bad, but that backline… 🤮
Midfield - let’s hope Havili and Ioane don’t get hurt.
3 fullbacks and only 2 wingers selected, which means we’ll probably see the worlds slowest winger locked into 14 for the season again.
Where are the strike weapons?
I not upset with Tupaea, think he may have a future in Black. ALB only misses first test I think.
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If Lomax and Ta'avao are the backups, we'd better hope that Laulala stays fit.
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@tim just lucky the opposition for this squad is weak, which will paper over plenty of cracks
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What an underwhelming squad. Pretty lucky to only be playing Fiji and Tonga first up. RC might get ugly if there are any further injuries.
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For the loose forwards, it must have been Blackadder vs Robinson. I would have chosen the latter as he offers something different but Plumtree seemed to like the fact Blackadder could also play 7.
Happy for Quinn but he was as surprised as the rest of us. As mentioned, PUJ suffered from a lack of opportunity.
Christie, Ennor and Bridge should buy a lotto ticket tonight.
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@higgins said in All Blacks 2021:
Finlay Christie will be the next subject of bitter press attacks from up north in their next tirade on poaching. I appeal to the NZRFU to rescind that particular selection to appease those upset about blatant poaching.
I'm worried he'll get capped.
Why in a team stacked with blindside flankers isn't Big Red selected?
How is it we have so few fit props? The two competent ones make Owen look like a young Jones.
Christie
Mounga
Bridge
Tupaea
Ennor
Barrett
McKenzieNice knowing you bro, good luck with your implosion.
The stuff of nightmares.
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@pukunui said in All Blacks 2021:
What an underwhelming squad. Pretty lucky to only be playing Fiji and Tonga first up. RC might get ugly if there are any further injuries.
You could roll out an AB less Super squad and still squash Fiji and Tonga by bucketloads. Made with the proviso the I. Foster has nothing to do with the coashing.
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Hodgman, Ross, Grace, Robinson, Faingaanuku, and PUJ will be smashing opposition players in NPC.
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@chris , the other thing is , now that Christie is an All Black , how much game time is he really going to get at the Blues .?.and you are very astute, he has one of the better passes both ways and in my opinion one of the better high kick games in the country .and is a bloody good defender ,.he’s getting totally screwed at the Blues , have heard he’s looking at a move ..the Saders would be an awesome fit , look how that panned out for Bryn Hall .
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The worst selection IMO is Christie. Great liability, but he's obviously only there because TJP and Fakatava aren't in the squad. He won't be in the Rugby Championship squad, when TJP returns.
Blackadder comes in for Grace.
I think it was between Robinson and AIoane for one spot; I'd have preferred big Red, but it is what it is.Tupaea is probably only there because of the absence of Goodhue.
De Groot is there because Moody is injured; Ta'avao or Lomax benefit from Ofa's injury.
Many of these selections are injury enforced.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim just lucky the opposition for this squad is weak, which will paper over plenty of cracks
My concern is which of them will the Muppet Collective drop for the RC? Because Australia can put together a pretty competitive 23.
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@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
If Lomax and Ta'avao are the backups, we'd better hope that Laulala stays fit.
Which is why I’d have had Mafileo. Then Lomax OR Ta’avao.
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae Ennor and Bridge - I mean, at least Faingaanuku showed something on the park. Sure Bridge and Ennor have been selected before, but not like they've absolutely blown everyone away - they've been ordinary mostly.
Nuts isn’t it. The less they play the better they were apparently.
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taniwharugbyreplied to antipodean on 21 Jun 2021, 07:54 last edited by taniwharugby 21 Jun 2021, 07:54
@antipodean well assuming no injuries, only Christie for TJ? Is Cane back for RC or was he gone for the season?
Thing is Aaron needs a light series given his super work load, meaning Christie WILL get a decent chunk of minutes I expect
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Surely it was either Christie or Drummond to cover TJ absence. No shock there for me. B
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@arhs said in All Blacks 2021:
Surely it was either Christie or Drummond to cover TJ absence. No shock there for me. B
Then Drummond was a walk up start. I'm near astonished anyone could watch Christie play and think he's Test quality. Our game depends on speed and they pick the slowest person to get to rucks, with the slowest decision making and a shit pass to round things off.
Look up Aaron Smith in the dictionary and under antonym it says Finlay Christie.
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The somewhat unfortunate thing about this year's squad is that during Super Rugby Aotearoa, it was looking to me that we'd have a significantly better AB team than last year - but, I think injuries and unavailability have made this squad look a little bit fragile.
But, when you slot Moody, Tu'ungafasi, Cane, Perenara, Goodhue and Clarke into that team, it's going to look significantly stronger. I've probably forgotten a missing stalwart or two, as well.
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@bovidae Ennor and Bridge - I mean, at least Faingaanuku showed something on the park. Sure Bridge and Ennor have been selected before, but not like they've absolutely blown everyone away - they've been ordinary mostly.
I think Robertson would have chosen Ennor and Bridge as well.
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RTS will back himself to crack a squad like this in 12 months time.
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Final test XXIII?
1 Tui'nukuafe
2 Taylor
3 Laulala
4 Retallick
5 Whitelock
6 Ioane
7 Savea
8 Sotutu9 Smith
10 Barrett
11 Ioane
12 Havili
13 ALB
14 Jordan
15 McKenzie16 Coles
17 Bower
18 Ta'avao
19 Barrett/Tuipulotu
20 Papalii
21 Weber
22 Mo'unga
23 J Barrett -
How bad are the available wings if Bridge and Reece get in? And Frizell only plays well at Super level, is crap at Test level.
Would have picked Robinson there for sure.
All the posters pointing at Finlay are forgetting how bad Weber is.
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Victor Meldrewreplied to Stargazer on 21 Jun 2021, 08:05 last edited by Victor Meldrew 21 Jun 2021, 08:05
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
The worst selection IMO is Christie. Great liability, but he's obviously only there because TJP and Fakatava aren't in the squad. He won't be in the Rugby Championship squad, when TJP returns.
I agree. For me, watching SA & Trans Ta$man from afar, Christie is the clear 3rd choice at 9. I'm OK with his selection, but def. not OK with the depth at 9 in NZ at the moment. The gap between AS and the rest is worrying.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
For the loose forwards, it must have been Blackadder vs Robinson. I would have chosen the latter as he offers something different but Plumtree seemed to like the fact Blackadder could also play 7.
Not sure about that.
I reckon Ardie will be the starting 7, with Papali'i his understudy.
Jacobson and Sotutu the No. 8s.
Akira and Frizell the blindsides.
I reckon Blackadder becomes the sort of Ardie/Masoe bench man who can cover all three.
Tom might have needed to push out Akira or Shannon?
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@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
Final test XXIII?
6 Ioane
7 Savea
8 SotutuSavea and Sotutu are too similar for me. Apparently on the NZH Plumtree mentions a loose forward trio of Papalii/Jacobson/Savea.
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@kirwan highlights the gulf in class behind Smith!
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
Final test XXIII?
6 Ioane
7 Savea
8 SotutuSavea and Sotutu are too similar for me. Apparently on the NZH Plumtree mentions a loose forward trio of Papalii/Jacobson/Savea.
Jesus wept.
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