Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?
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@taniwharugby in essence, it will leave less revenue for paying players, so they are more likely to play overseas, in which case Silver Lake will demand that overseas players are eligible for AB selection to protect revenue from AB games.
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@godder said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@taniwharugby in essence, it will leave less revenue for paying players, so they are more likely to play overseas, in which case Silver Lake will demand that overseas players are eligible for AB selection to protect revenue from AB games.
Will SL be in a position to be able make demands like that? And if so, would the NZRFU be forced to bow to those demands?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@godder said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@taniwharugby in essence, it will leave less revenue for paying players, so they are more likely to play overseas, in which case Silver Lake will demand that overseas players are eligible for AB selection to protect revenue from AB games.
Will SL be in a position to be able make demands like that? And if so, would the NZRFU be forced to bow to those demands?
I have colleagues that have sold their practices to Lumino, the big corporate dental outfit in NZ. They leave them alone for a while before they start to change the ways things are run, in particular they increase the fees which either works (more profits) or doesn't (patients leave because it got too expensive). They may want to increase their profits but their ideas don't always seem to achieve this. And they certainly don't have the patient's welfare primarily at heart. I have to think that SL will want an increasing return on their investment and may become increasingly insistent about how that is achieved, to the potential detriment of all of us and rugby in general
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@godder said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@taniwharugby in essence, it will leave less revenue for paying players, so they are more likely to play overseas, in which case Silver Lake will demand that overseas players are eligible for AB selection to protect revenue from AB games.
Will SL be in a position to be able make demands like that? And if so, would the NZRFU be forced to bow to those demands?
Don't know, but the article makes the point that NZR are selling 12.5% of revenue with no reduction in costs, so if there is not enough subsequent revenue growth, player costs are the most likely place to try to make savings.
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I'm not sure if Treason's article also has the opinion piece from Mark Robinson that appeared in the SST newspaper. I wasn't going to click on the former to check. Anyway, this is what he wrote:
OPINION: Kia ora New Zealand. Rugby is your game and in recent weeks you will have witnessed some robust debate about its future – and the best pathway to ensure it thrives and survives for future generations to enjoy. We have been inspired and humbled by the passion of our rugby community. It has also provided a reminder to New Zealand Rugby of the privilege and honour we hold as guardians of our national game. Ten days ago, our Provincial Unions and the Māori Rugby Board voted unanimously for us to proceed to establish a commercial entity, through which we would then partner with Silver Lake. Through this vote, our stakeholders have acknowledged that our game needs transformation. To do nothing is no longer an option as our game faces generational challenges. Rugby – our national passion – must change and change quickly to ensure its legacy can be passed on to the next generation of New Zealanders. If we are honest with ourselves rugby has been experiencing major challenges in our communities for some time and our grassroots are in desperate need of watering. In many ways our model is broken. We spend more than we earn and cannot fund the areas of our game that need our assistance most. Covid has only exacerbated this. Change is hard and there is no doubt we are faced with a huge decision. But we must be brave. Since rugby became professional in 1995, we have taken giant steps while evolving in a changing environment, but we believe we have always stayed true to our legacy. Now, in 2021 we have an opportunity to shift gears again – to make a change for the next generation. We cannot stand still – we must evolve again, so we can continue to commit to our key strategic goals – putting rugby at the heart of our communities, winning with mana and having loved, global brands, while always being guided by Te Ara Rangatira (The Rugby Way). So, with that in mind – we asked ourselves, how do we move forward and evolve, while honouring our legacy and everything we have achieved in the past. What is the best thing we can do for all of rugby? Our answer – for New Zealand Rugby to create a new commercial entity – in partnership with Silver Lake. Silver Lake is a technology investment firm based in the USA with experience in investing in some of the world’s most renowned businesses, including in sport. They have valued the commercial business of New Zealand Rugby at $3.1bn which means that in exchange for a 12.5% stake in a separate commercial entity, which would hold our commercial assets (including broadcast; sponsorship; merchandising and licensing; matchday revenues and new business streams) they will invest $387 million dollars into our organisation – immediately benefiting the rugby community from junior clubs through to our Teams in Black, and everything in between. What this materially looks like is an immediate injection of funds to help the community game right now and then creating a legacy fund to enable ongoing investment in the areas of our game most in need to protect the long term future – the grassroots, women’s rugby and supporting our Pasifika and Māori programmes and participants. The money will be there to re-build the base of our pyramid and enable us to continue to be strong at its peak. We are talking about more than 150,000 players in New Zealand who are the beating heart of our game and the place where the dreams of our All Blacks, Black Ferns, Māori All Blacks, All Blacks Sevens and Black Ferns Sevens players begin. Silver Lake will also add directly to our off-field operations through global connections and capabilities in technology, data and fan engagement. Having them as a partner will help us, as we seek to create global opportunities and the financial ability to keep our coaching and playing talent in New Zealand. The other 87.5% of this commercial entity will be owned by New Zealand Rugby. Through the creation of this separate entity and partnering through that with Silver Lake, it means Silver Lake will have no presence on the New Zealand Rugby Board and will not make “rugby” decisions. The commercial entity will be governed by a separate Board that will include five New Zealand Rugby representatives (including myself as CEO), two people from Silver Lake and one independent Chair. It is important to be clear on what this deal is not; We are not selling the All Blacks or any of our other Teams in Black. We are not giving private equity ‘control’ and they are not ‘taking over’ any part of our game. The Māori and Pasifika culture that plays a huge role in our game will be protected and our Māori Rugby Board have stated this partnership will have significant benefits for Māori rugby. We have spent a considerable amount of time with Silver Lake to make sure their values, culture and approach align with ours and I can assure you they do. Yes, they are an investor and of course they are partnering with us for their own commercial success. But when they succeed, so does Rugby – across the whole game. There were other options of course – to secure our future and grow our game – and we took time and care to explore these. We considered and then rejected several – a public listing on the NZX, debt funding and a capital raise in New Zealand. All were robustly assessed against our key objectives. Some of these options would have helped us to meet some of our objectives but none of them would have helped us to meet them all. Debt does not provide capability, and we do not have assets to secure that debt. A capital raise in New Zealand does not provide the value of the Silver Lake deal either from a financial or capability perspective and an IPO still would involve selling off a stake of our commercial revenue but without adding the precious capability we need to move forward. None of them would have provided New Zealand Rugby with the strategic benefits we will need to keep pace with the global game and ensure we are not left behind. And, critically, none of them can sufficiently support the long-term investment required for our grassroots. We turned over every rock, challenged ourselves and alongside our Provincial Unions and Māori Rugby Board we commissioned PWC to conduct an external review of the proposed deal. The PWC review found the Silver Lake proposal to be compelling. As for our professional players, we value the partnership we have with them and of course they are a critical part of the future of the game. We respect their input and their desire to ensure we have taken due care with this opportunity, and we are confident that together we can come to the right conclusion for the whole game in New Zealand. With a lifelong love of the game as a former junior club convenor and coach, player at all levels; and today the parent of kids playing rugby at school and New Zealand Rugby’s CEO, I can put my hand on my heart and say that an investor partnership with Silver Lake is the right thing for all of rugby – for the entire ecosystem – and we should welcome it. -
@godder said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@godder said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@taniwharugby in essence, it will leave less revenue for paying players, so they are more likely to play overseas, in which case Silver Lake will demand that overseas players are eligible for AB selection to protect revenue from AB games.
Will SL be in a position to be able make demands like that? And if so, would the NZRFU be forced to bow to those demands?
Don't know, but the article makes the point that NZR are selling 12.5% of revenue with no reduction in costs, so if there is not enough subsequent revenue growth, player costs are the most likely place to try to make savings.
Or in a hundred other places that hurt the local unions, women's game, or anything else that loses money (which is almost all of it).
I've yet to see anyone properly discuss where they are going to generate this extra revenue (e.g., Will we have 12 different sponsors plastered all over the AB jersey? Will the rights to the AB Haka etc be transferred across?) and with SL seemingly about to get a share in other unions (e.g., OZ) I start to worry about the bargaining power of the NZRFU versus the commercial arm and those other unions when you have directors on each board acting in the interests of their parent company.
I'm not sure that this risk has been factored in, and then there are the competing findings from the different accounting firms about the risks (None from KPMG, financed by NZRFU; heaps from the firm contracted by the RPU).
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@pakman said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@number-10 said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
NZR Press Conference after today's AGM
So this is an evergreen deal with SL getting 12.5% p.a. of $200m a year, which is growing.
Let's just say $25m p.a. with some growth. It's sounding more like a royalty stream than an equity investment. $25m assuming a 4% yield is valued at $625m.
I've said it before. Such deals should be for a time period with mutual right of renewal.
I'd much rather NZR just sold them a ten year 12.5% royalty for $200m.
Would make the situation much less liable to run aground over (NZR) unexpected consequences!
The recent press, and in particular Kirk comments, make it clear that NZR is selling 12.5% royalty.
SL must think NZR are a bunch of bumpkins.
$387m for a 12.5% profit share would be attractive.
But for a 12.5% ROYALTY the price ought to be more like $625m.
SL is a cool $240m ahead on day one.
There is nothing clever in that.
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Forsyth Barr enters battle to buy into New Zealand Rugby
An alternative offer to Silver Lake, valuing New Zealand Rugby at a colossal $3.8 billion, has been tabled by local investment manager Forsyth Barr.
The Auckland head-quartered company has conducted due diligence on the prospect of NZR selling a five per cent stake in its future commercial revenues through an NZX listing and believes investor demand could potentially raise as much as $650m.
Under the terms of the Forsyth proposal – conducted at the request of the New Zealand Rugby Players' Association which is not supportive of selling a stake in the national game to US fund manager Silver Lake - NZR would be able to raise between $170m and $190m, with as much as 40 per cent of the offering being open to mum and dad investors who could buy in for as little as $100.
Forsyth managing director Neil Paviour-Smith says that his firm are willing to underwrite the deal as a number of significant fund management houses and high net worth New Zealanders have already indicated they would make significant investments.
Such a deal would, therefore, be deemed low risk and value NZR at between $3.4bn and $3.8bn, which is 12 per cent to 23 per cent higher than the valuation offered by Silver Lake.
The Silver Lake deal, for which NZR has received the backing of provincial unions to proceed, will raise $387.5m and see the US group take 12.5 per cent of net revenue.
The NZRPA have been strongly opposed to the deal, with its president, former All Black captain David Kirk, also chairman of Forsyth Barr.
"This is what we do day in day out," says Paviour-Smith in answer to whether his firm's assessment of the likely investment demand is credible.
"We assess all sorts of different opportunities and first and foremost we obtain a sense of client demand. We have already had conversations with Kiwi Saver managers and other institutional investors. We think there will be wide public appeal."
The Forsyth presentation document possessed by the Herald, entitled NZ Inc, states that the gross proceeds of a five per cent Initial Public Offer would allow NZR to: "Distribute $39m to the provinces and the New Zealand Maori Board as per the Silver Lake proposal.
"Make a capital contribution to CommercialCo of $50m as per the Silver Lake proposal.
"Result in NZR reserves of between $136m and $154m, significantly more than their reserves policy target (40 per cent of their cost base) and pre Covid-19 reserve levels."
The Forsyth proposal has been sent to NZR by the NZRPA with a memo requesting it be seriously considered and discussed as a viable and better alternative to the Silver Lake bid.
In response, NZR chief executive Mark Robinson said he was "shocked and disappointed" by the NZRPA's decision to share the proposal with the media before sharing it with the organisation.
...It's a long article, so won't copy and paste all of it.
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Finally some sense . NZ IPO is the way forward. Kirk to the rescue.
Scrap the Silver Lake deal, close the door on the way out. -
Second job . Get Razor on board.
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Great to finally see some sense here at last and not the PR sledgehammer of emotion without supporting detail. David Kirk has a vastly better proposal. I am very disappointed at how Mark Robinson has presented the Silver Lake thing to sell it on behalf of NZRU. It feels like a Sledge Hammer approach of "Trust me I know what I'm doing" while offering prompt cash handouts to gain support but not properly outlining details of the income streams and risks beyond that.
This is not an election to get 4 more years in power. It is about the longer term strategic plan for NZ rugby. I was involved in another sport that was torn apart from going down a similar route to Silver Lake. There are plenty of informative analogies out there. We'll done to Mr Kirk the players association and Forsyth Barr. We can now all look forward to some meaningful information on how their investment in NZRU will work at inception and moving forward. -
You would have to have rocks in your head to be a mum and Dad investor to go anywhere near the proposal that David Kirk is suggesting especially when you look at the big picture ,numbers playing are free falling , clubs are struggling to get numbers in many cases amalgamating..and even if you look at the game at the very top level , they play to half fill stadiums …I could not give a continental where David got his degree , this proposal has got more potential to more serious damage in the hearts and the minds of the supporters that the game has got left …have not met one person who said they would invest , I am already paid my dues for supporting and following this game I love ..
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@steven-harris said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
You would have to have rocks in your head to be a mum and Dad investor to go anywhere near the proposal that David Kirk is suggesting especially when you look at the big picture ,numbers playing are free falling , clubs are struggling to get numbers in many cases amalgamating..and even if you look at the game at the very top level , they play to half fill stadiums …I could not give a continental where David got his degree , this proposal has got more potential to more serious damage in the hearts and the minds of the supporters that the game has got left …have not met one person who said they would invest , I am already paid my dues for supporting and following this game I love ..
Interesting, I had a discussion with the wife already about putting in $1000.
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@steven-harris said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
You would have to have rocks in your head to be a mum and Dad investor to go anywhere near the proposal that David Kirk is suggesting especially when you look at the big picture ,numbers playing are free falling , clubs are struggling to get numbers in many cases amalgamating..and even if you look at the game at the very top level , they play to half fill stadiums …I could not give a continental where David got his degree , this proposal has got more potential to more serious damage in the hearts and the minds of the supporters that the game has got left …have not met one person who said they would invest , I am already paid my dues for supporting and following this game I love ..
Yeah, I don't normally think of anything like this but would love to put a small amount in to truly be a shareholder in the game rather than trying to hold that claim because I watch TV or go to a game. That makes me a customer not a stakeholder.
And yes, I've put time into the game with coaching kids etc and paid club fees. I don't think that affords any kind of right though. -
@crucial said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@steven-harris said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
You would have to have rocks in your head to be a mum and Dad investor to go anywhere near the proposal that David Kirk is suggesting especially when you look at the big picture ,numbers playing are free falling , clubs are struggling to get numbers in many cases amalgamating..and even if you look at the game at the very top level , they play to half fill stadiums …I could not give a continental where David got his degree , this proposal has got more potential to more serious damage in the hearts and the minds of the supporters that the game has got left …have not met one person who said they would invest , I am already paid my dues for supporting and following this game I love ..
Yeah, I don't normally think of anything like this but would love to put a small amount in to truly be a shareholder in the game rather than trying to hold that claim because I watch TV or go to a game. That makes me a customer not a stakeholder.
And yes, I've put time into the game with coaching kids etc and paid club fees. I don't think that affords any kind of right though.Reckon it does. It makes you an owner of the game.
The is owned by the club members, who appoint the representatives to the Unions, who appoint the NZR board.
To my mind, there are already shareholders in NZ Rugby.
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@booboo said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@crucial said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
@steven-harris said in Silver Lake buying a stake in the ABs?:
You would have to have rocks in your head to be a mum and Dad investor to go anywhere near the proposal that David Kirk is suggesting especially when you look at the big picture ,numbers playing are free falling , clubs are struggling to get numbers in many cases amalgamating..and even if you look at the game at the very top level , they play to half fill stadiums …I could not give a continental where David got his degree , this proposal has got more potential to more serious damage in the hearts and the minds of the supporters that the game has got left …have not met one person who said they would invest , I am already paid my dues for supporting and following this game I love ..
Yeah, I don't normally think of anything like this but would love to put a small amount in to truly be a shareholder in the game rather than trying to hold that claim because I watch TV or go to a game. That makes me a customer not a stakeholder.
And yes, I've put time into the game with coaching kids etc and paid club fees. I don't think that affords any kind of right though.Reckon it does. It makes you an owner of the game.
The is owned by the club members, who appoint the representatives to the Unions, who appoint the NZR board.
To my mind, there are already shareholders in NZ Rugby.
Sadly, the NZ Provincial Unions only appoint three of the nine Board members now - one per year.
