AB all time pro-era XXIII
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@taniwharugby said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
I couldnt pick an all-time AB side and not put Lomu on the wing, as good as Savea, Rok, Sivi, Ioane might have been at thier peak, Lomu was something else
Only player I'd consider over him, would be peak Rupeni, but he aint available for this team.
Same, even if a part of his career was in the (sh)amateur era, it's hard to go past Jonah at 11.
I'd be inclined to select Cullen and Wilson as the rest of the outside backs because they were all sublime especially as a group.
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@Godder said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@taniwharugby said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
I couldnt pick an all-time AB side and not put Lomu on the wing, as good as Savea, Rok, Sivi, Ioane might have been at thier peak, Lomu was something else
Only player I'd consider over him, would be peak Rupeni, but he aint available for this team.
Same, even if a part of his career was in the (sh)amateur era, it's hard to go past Jonah at 11.
I'd be inclined to select Cullen and Wilson as the rest of the outside backs because they were all sublime especially as a group.
@Godder said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@taniwharugby said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
I couldnt pick an all-time AB side and not put Lomu on the wing, as good as Savea, Rok, Sivi, Ioane might have been at thier peak, Lomu was something else
Only player I'd consider over him, would be peak Rupeni, but he aint available for this team.
Same, even if a part of his career was in the (sh)amateur era, it's hard to go past Jonah at 11.
I'd be inclined to select Cullen and Wilson as the rest of the outside backs because they were all sublime especially as a group.
Imagine them in the modern game, with conditioning etc advancements. They meet all the requirements too, with two power runners, all have pace, and there is plenty of highball ability (I'm sure that Lomu would get tested, but he'd get much more expert coaching now too). Plus Cullen's swerve/step and Goldie's chip/chase.
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@ACT-Crusader I figured if it’s peak Savea his strength would come in handy yeah Rokocoko was another name I forgot.
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@mikey07 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@ACT-Crusader I figured if it’s peak Savea his strength would come in handy yeah Rokocoko was another name I forgot.
Jonah was stronger than Savea
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@MN5 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@mikey07 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@ACT-Crusader I figured if it’s peak Savea his strength would come in handy yeah Rokocoko was another name I forgot.
Jonah was stronger than Savea
And I’d say Rok was quicker than both Jonah and Savea. Given the tempo this team would be playing with Aaron Smith and Carter I’ll take Rok.
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@ACT-Crusader said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@MN5 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@mikey07 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@ACT-Crusader I figured if it’s peak Savea his strength would come in handy yeah Rokocoko was another name I forgot.
Jonah was stronger than Savea
And I’d say Rok was quicker than both Jonah and Savea. Given the tempo this team would be playing with Aaron Smith and Carter I’ll take Rok.
Rok was great going forward but was crap under the high ball. Once opposing sides worked that out he became a big of a liability.
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@ACT-Crusader said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@mikey07 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
T.Woodcock
K.Mealamu
O.Brown
I.Jones
S.Whitelock
J.Kaino
R.McCaw
Z.Brooke
A.Smith
D.Carter
J.Savea
M.Nonu
C.Smith
J.Wilson
C.CullenI would love to have The like of Bunce,Fitzy, Howlett and Muliania in the team but unfortunately someone has to miss out.
This is a decent side. I’d probably have Rok ahead of Savea. Add a bench of
S. Fitzpatrick, C. Hayman, O. Franks, B. Retallick, K. Read, J. Marshall, C. Spencer, D. Howlett
Cullen covering centre 😎
J Moody
C Taylor
O Franks
B Thorn
S Whitelock
T Blue
R McCaw
K Read
T Lander
D Carter
T Blue-Chief-Cane
S BW
T Cane
T Otherlander
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@Bones said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@cgrant said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
Alternative team :
Dowd
Coles
Meeuws
Thorne
Jack
Collins
Holah
Read
Marshall
Mehrtens
Rokocoko / Savea
Little
Bunce
Howlett
OsborneI'm intrigued as to what this is the alternative to...😁
Woodcock
Fitzpatrick
Brown / Hayman
Retallick
Whitelock
Kaino
McCaw
Brooke
Smith
Carter
Lomu
Nonu
Smith / Umaga
Smith / Wilson
CullenI could have written Kronfeld instead of Holah and Robin Brooke instead of Thorn in my "alternative" team.
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@sparky said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@ACT-Crusader said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@MN5 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@mikey07 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@ACT-Crusader I figured if it’s peak Savea his strength would come in handy yeah Rokocoko was another name I forgot.
Jonah was stronger than Savea
And I’d say Rok was quicker than both Jonah and Savea. Given the tempo this team would be playing with Aaron Smith and Carter I’ll take Rok.
Rok was great going forward but was crap under the high ball. Once opposing sides worked that out he became a big of a liability.
And Lomu and Bus under the high ball were...
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@cgrant said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@Bones said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@cgrant said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
Alternative team :
Dowd
Coles
Meeuws
Thorne
Jack
Collins
Holah
Read
Marshall
Mehrtens
Rokocoko / Savea
Little
Bunce
Howlett
OsborneI'm intrigued as to what this is the alternative to...😁
Woodcock
Fitzpatrick
Brown / Hayman
Retallick
Whitelock
Kaino
McCaw
Brooke
Smith
Carter
Lomu
Nonu
Smith / Umaga
Smith / Wilson
CullenI could have written Kronfeld instead of Holah and Robin Brooke instead of Thorn in my "alternative" team.
I liked Holah, but Kronfeld and Cane are easy automatic selections over him. Hell, I think maybe even Ardie would get in ahead of him.
Speaking of Savea's, I can't believe people are pushing Fatty Savea's case. Joe Roks was better for longer and Lomu was just better. Is there some rose tinting going on with Fatty? Dude was awesome for a brief period then his form fell off a cliff and now he gets selected in Super teams because his last name is Savea.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
And won a Lions series.....oh wait!
Ah well, he wasn't perfect, two RWC and a drawn Lions series is probably a better return than the traffic conductor Mauger's no RWC and one Lions series.
Weirdly Ma'a has a Lions series win under his belt .... from 7 minutes of play in the DC match.
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Speaking of Savea's, I can't believe people are pushing Fatty Savea's case. Joe Roks was better for longer and Lomu was just better. Is there some rose tinting going on with Fatty? Dude was awesome for a brief period then his form fell off a cliff and now he gets selected in Super teams because his last name is Savea.
Weird he still scored 46 test tries when he was “awesome for a brief period” he scored those tries in 54 tests yet Rokockoko only got that in 63 and Lomu got even less in 72 games...
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@mikey07 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
Speaking of Savea's, I can't believe people are pushing Fatty Savea's case. Joe Roks was better for longer and Lomu was just better. Is there some rose tinting going on with Fatty? Dude was awesome for a brief period then his form fell off a cliff and now he gets selected in Super teams because his last name is Savea.
Weird he still scored 46 test tries when he was “awesome for a brief period” he scored those tries in 54 tests yet Rokockoko only got that in 63 and Lomu got even less in 72 games...
Julian was always great at scoring tries on the end of a backline, that's not in dispute. 2015 and 2016 he was still running in tries, but I doubt anyone thought his all round form was great. That's one thing that he has over Joe Roks though, when Roks form dropped he stopped scoring tries (Roks had a whole year of tests when he probably shouldn't have been selected).
Also, try scoring rates doesn't seem to be all and end all as you've plumped for Goldie over Howlett on the other wing.
I think you got your test stats muddled a bit for Lomu and Roks. Lomu played 63 tests not Roks - he played 68.
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@Nepia said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@cgrant said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@Bones said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@cgrant said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
Alternative team :
Dowd
Coles
Meeuws
Thorne
Jack
Collins
Holah
Read
Marshall
Mehrtens
Rokocoko / Savea
Little
Bunce
Howlett
OsborneI'm intrigued as to what this is the alternative to...😁
Woodcock
Fitzpatrick
Brown / Hayman
Retallick
Whitelock
Kaino
McCaw
Brooke
Smith
Carter
Lomu
Nonu
Smith / Umaga
Smith / Wilson
CullenI could have written Kronfeld instead of Holah and Robin Brooke instead of Thorn in my "alternative" team.
I liked Holah, but Kronfeld and Cane are easy automatic selections over him. Hell, I think maybe even Ardie would get in ahead of him.
Speaking of Savea's, I can't believe people are pushing Fatty Savea's case. Joe Roks was better for longer and Lomu was just better. Is there some rose tinting going on with Fatty? Dude was awesome for a brief period then his form fell off a cliff and now he gets selected in Super teams because his last name is Savea.
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
And won a Lions series.....oh wait!
Ah well, he wasn't perfect, two RWC and a drawn Lions series is probably a better return than the traffic conductor Mauger's no RWC and one Lions series.
Weirdly Ma'a has a Lions series win under his belt .... from 7 minutes of play in the DC match.
Which was probably the amount of time SBW spent on the field in the 2011 final and semifinal (before he was carded).
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@Godder said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
I'd be selecting Lomu on X-factor, not just his own record. In a classic example of reckons over me looking anything up, I vaguely remember Kronfeld did well out of supporting him.
Indeed. In a classic case of sporting Alzheimers I have vivid memories of what they did in 95 but can't for the life of me remember what Ioane/Bridge/Clark did with Cane/Savea this year.
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@MN5 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@Godder said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
I'd be selecting Lomu on X-factor, not just his own record. In a classic example of reckons over me looking anything up, I vaguely remember Kronfeld did well out of supporting him.
Indeed. In a classic case of sporting Alzheimers I have vivid memories of what they did in 95 but can't for the life of me remember what Ioane/Bridge/Clark did with Cane/Savea this year.
Who?
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sorry to resurrect an old thread but for 6/loosies I'd put Jerry Collins on the bench. It would be about the only time the opposition would be hoping/praying Kaino doesn't go off early injured!
