AB all time pro-era XXIII
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Sam Whitelock is a great player. But no way is he an all-time great. He never dominates like Retallick. When he doesn't play you don't see that much difference -- unlike most of the players listed. When Rettalick is absent a team really notices.
I would pick Ian Jones a million times over him. Lineout master and superb athlete.
Actually, I'd pick Brad Thorn over him too. Not flashy, but a much more physical presence.
There's a few locks who played for money that I suppose aren't pro era like Gary Whetton that are much better too. Andy Haden for you oldies.
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@Chester-Draws Downvote
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Ian Jones is so overrated
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@Chester-Draws said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
Sam Whitelock is a great player. But no way is he an all-time great. He never dominates like Retallick. When he doesn't play you don't see that much difference -- unlike most of the players listed. When Rettalick is absent a team really notices.
I would pick Ian Jones a million times over him. Lineout master and superb athlete.
Actually, I'd pick Brad Thorn over him too. Not flashy, but a much more physical presence.
There's a few locks who played for money that I suppose aren't pro era like Gary Whetton that are much better too. Andy Haden for you oldies.
Please see here (timestamp 1:25.17):
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@mariner4life said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
Bunce
Close, I know, but I'd have Conrad ahead of Bunce. His rugby smarts were on another level.
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@sparky said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
Could have easily picked Carl Hayman, M.Jones, Z.Brooke, A.Mehrtens, B.Barrett, Umaga, SBW and F.Bunce. Fantastic players all. We really have been had some amazing players in the last 25 years.
Mehrts is a stretch over DC.
BB for the bench though.
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@gt12 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@Chester-Draws said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
Sam Whitelock is a great player. But no way is he an all-time great. He never dominates like Retallick. When he doesn't play you don't see that much difference -- unlike most of the players listed. When Rettalick is absent a team really notices.
I would pick Ian Jones a million times over him. Lineout master and superb athlete.
Actually, I'd pick Brad Thorn over him too. Not flashy, but a much more physical presence.
There's a few locks who played for money that I suppose aren't pro era like Gary Whetton that are much better too. Andy Haden for you oldies.
Please see here (timestamp 1:25.17):
I upvoted because I assume you refer to the lineout steal. I haven't watched the video
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@booboo said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@gt12 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@Chester-Draws said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
Sam Whitelock is a great player. But no way is he an all-time great. He never dominates like Retallick. When he doesn't play you don't see that much difference -- unlike most of the players listed. When Rettalick is absent a team really notices.
I would pick Ian Jones a million times over him. Lineout master and superb athlete.
Actually, I'd pick Brad Thorn over him too. Not flashy, but a much more physical presence.
There's a few locks who played for money that I suppose aren't pro era like Gary Whetton that are much better too. Andy Haden for you oldies.
Please see here (timestamp 1:25.17):
I upvoted because I assume you refer to the lineout steal. I haven't watched the video
That's the way of the Fern.
(and you're right)
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@sparky said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
Could have easily picked Carl Hayman, M.Jones, Z.Brooke, A.Mehrtens, B.Barrett, Umaga, SBW and F.Bunce. Fantastic players all. We really have been had some amazing players in the last 25 years.
If Nonu, Bunce, Smith, Umaga, Mauger and Little all broke their legs simultaneously he might get a mention.
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@booboo said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@gt12 said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
@Chester-Draws said in AB all time pro-era XXIII:
Sam Whitelock is a great player. But no way is he an all-time great. He never dominates like Retallick. When he doesn't play you don't see that much difference -- unlike most of the players listed. When Rettalick is absent a team really notices.
I would pick Ian Jones a million times over him. Lineout master and superb athlete.
Actually, I'd pick Brad Thorn over him too. Not flashy, but a much more physical presence.
There's a few locks who played for money that I suppose aren't pro era like Gary Whetton that are much better too. Andy Haden for you oldies.
Please see here (timestamp 1:25.17):
I upvoted because I assume you refer to the lineout steal. I haven't watched the video
Nonu setting up BB at 1:37:39 was a thing of absolute beauty and why he's way ahead of anyone else at 12 in the pro era.
