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<p>Of those four designs the red and blue fern is the only one with a chance of beating the current flag, but even if it did it would get changed in 10-20 years by another government when a better design comes along.</p>
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<p>The whole change the flag campaign has been pushed by pr pakehas and douchebags with marketing degrees, and it has felt that way to the masses.</p> -
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<p>I want one with black on it</p>
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<p>So Blue and red is out for me</p>
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<p>Blue and black looks just far too boring for me. Do we want a new boring safe flag. I hope not.</p>
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<p>So it black and white. The actual fern design is a bit more modern. And it does reflect what NZ is all about. This flag I think would be used at sports events whereas I don't think the other two would be. At least I wouldn't</p>
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<p>Re the flag final 4 revealing .My god this was poor. It looked like the committee was made up of people who were on the old side and dated. No wonder NZers have not been that involved with this process. Appoint a modern slightly more trendy person to front the committee at the least rather than an old bloke and NZers might been more involved. I haven't really followed it but give me strength.</p> -
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<p>I can't believe a simple white fern/black background did not make the final four. I would have bet the house on it.</p>
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<p>But the black and white is close. Why not vote for this one?</p> -
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<p>But the black and white is close. Why not vote for this one?</p>
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<p>I don't think I can vote actually (last time in NZ was 2011 RWC Final which would be over the 3 year limit). However I would likely vote for the black/white combo in the first vote and then really have to think about my vote in the second ballot.</p>
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<p>Regardless, I think this committee have needlessly overcomplicated things. A white fern on a black background is the foundation of hundreds of logos in NZ culture both in and outside of sport. How they accepted a red/blue and black/blue variant of the same flag but could not include the unoffical alternate flag beats me. It seems like they are trying to make a statement.</p>
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<p>is amusing some of the opinions out there, this on Richie expressing his view on the flag.</p>
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<p>If we were to go for the black flag we would be breaking long held convention about black flags being aggressive and negative.<br>
I'm now thinking a white flag with a white fern with a thick black outline may have looked good</p>
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<p>OK but we do use black flags a lot at sporting events. So as a country we have ignored this convention</p>
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<p>The more I think about this NZs colors are black and white. So why not just accept this and have a flag reflecting these colors.</p> -
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<p>Regardless, I think this committee have needlessly overcomplicated things. <strong>A white fern on a black background</strong> is the foundation of hundreds of logos in NZ culture both in and outside of sport. How they accepted a red/blue and black/blue variant of the same flag but could not include the unoffical alternate flag beats me. It seems like they are trying to make a statement.</p>
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<p><strong>I would love to hear their rational as to why that one was excluded.</strong></p>
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<p>Maybe it's copyrighted?</p> -
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<p>there is a silver fern with a black background in here, guess they decided it wasnt up to it?</p>
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<p>Here's how it might look one a windy day</p>
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<p>Although the black and white fern flag needs more black flag on the end</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://ift.tt/1MfRPYE'>http://ift.tt/1MfRPYE</a></p>
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<p>No one with a design background on the panel... that could have been a factor. Prefer the black/blue but not by much over the red/blue combo.</p>
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<p>So 2 of the designs are copyrighted by Kyle Lockwood, who has a licensing process on his website. If one of his designs is chosen as the new flag does that mean that anybody wanting to put the new NZ flag on their product will have to pay Kyle a royalty?</p>
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<p>The more I look at these flags above</p>
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<p>I'm drawn more to flag three</p>
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<p>I definitely prefer just the black and white. For me this is NZ's colors. And the third flag is a great looking flag. It makes a powerful statement whereas the other don't</p>
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<p>Although I will likely change my mind again tomorrow</p> -
<p>Gotta have the southern cross on it I reckon</p>
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<p>I actually miss not seeing that particular cluster of stars when I live outside NZ</p>
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<p>Always make a habit of peeing outside while gazing skyward at night when back in NZ (completely ruined Aunties celebration bbq last time but traditions are traditions)</p>
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<p>Love the Southern Cross, ferns are cool too but lots of places have them - (particularly Taiwan which has many indigenous similarities - but I digress)</p> -
