Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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@Bovidae said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
One thing neither Reece or Rieko offer is a kicking game - it's crazy to me these guys don't work on these sort of skills as professional players.
Reece has even admitted that this is a big work-on.
Surely growing a few inches must be his main work-on?
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@Winger said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Looks about right. Lomax a big opportunity
All Blacks: Beauden Barrett, Jordie Barrett, Anton Lienert-Brown, Jack Goodhue, Caleb Clarke, Richie Mo’unga, Aaron Smith; Ardie Savea, Sam Cane (c), Shannon Frizell, Sam Whitelock, Patrick Tuipulotu, Tyrel Lomax, Dane Coles, Joe Moody. Reserves: Codie Taylor, Alex Hodgman, Nepo Laulala, Tupou Vaa’i, Hoskins Sotutu, Brad Weber, Rieko Ioane, Damian McKenzie.
Good team, like the look of Brad Webber on the bench instead of TJP.
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Surprised that no one has picked up that this grouping played a very different style to what we saw last week's team sent out to do.
For the first 5 minutes or so last week I was wondering if Akira was even playing then realised that he had been stationed out wide in the gameplan. That is not what they do with Frizzel.
Same with the backs and back reserves. This group has an obvious two playmaker system that requires speed from the 15 to slot in at second phase. JB doesn't offer that, hence the selection of DMac.
I'm not advocating that all of this is good just pointing out what is actually quite obvious and possibly reason for the selections that are being questioned.
Glad to see that the selectors are enforcing consequences for dumbness though. Just as RIoane was punished it appears that SB is also and TJ has been dropped (about 30 minutes too late) -
@chimoaus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Bovidae said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@KiwiMurph said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
One thing neither Reece or Rieko offer is a kicking game - it's crazy to me these guys don't work on these sort of skills as professional players.
Reece has even admitted that this is a big work-on.
Surely growing a few inches must be his main work-on?
It's all in the hairstyle.
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@Crucial said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Surprised that no one has picked up that this grouping played a very different style to what we saw last week's team sent out to do.
For the first 5 minutes or so last week I was wondering if Akira was even playing then realised that he had been stationed out wide in the gameplan. That is not what they do with Frizzel.
Same with the backs and back reserves. This group has an obvious two playmaker system that requires speed from the 15 to slot in at second phase. JB doesn't offer that, hence the selection of DMac.
I'm not advocating that all of this is good just pointing out what is actually quite obvious and possibly reason for the selections that are being questioned.
Glad to see that the selectors are enforcing consequences for dumbness though. Just as RIoane was punished it appears that SB is also and TJ has been dropped (about 30 minutes too late)That's where Akira was on attack, similar to how the Blues used him pre-2019 (Very Read like) but he was tight on defense, and that's where he shone. Everyone knows he can make great runs and links well with backs, what impressed was the defensive grunt work, literally lifting Aussies out of rucks, hitting hard on defence, and showing great desperation with one handed tackles.
He also stole a bloody lineout.
Much higher ceiling than Frizzel IMO, and it's the same as with Clark and Bridge, he just needs to move on from being convervative and reward form.
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@Nepia said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
What is weird is that TJ gets dropped but he didn’t pull him earlier last week, so maybe it’s not even a dropping and just a rotation?
TJ Perenera is a long way below International standard now. His pass is poor. Glad he is missing for the squad for tthe Argentina game. Don't want to see him in the AB 23 again.
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@sparky said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Nepia said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
What is weird is that TJ gets dropped but he didn’t pull him earlier last week, so maybe it’s not even a dropping and just a rotation?
TJ Perenera is a long way below International standard now. His pass is poor. Glad he is missing for the squad for tthe Argentina game. Don't want to see him in the AB 23 again.
What irritates me most isn't the odd bad option or the poor skill execution- that happens to the very best. For me TJ simply isn't showing the composure necessary in the most important position on the field.
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@DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I would say there was almost zero chance of Frizell being dropped after being rested after two strong performances even if Akira is the peoples favorite.
Frizell was busy. Akira was effective.
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@booboo said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@DMX said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
I would say there was almost zero chance of Frizell being dropped after being rested after two strong performances even if Akira is the peoples favorite.
Frizell was busy. Akira was effective.
Akira was also cut short, which was a shame for him
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@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Crucial said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Surprised that no one has picked up that this grouping played a very different style to what we saw last week's team sent out to do.
For the first 5 minutes or so last week I was wondering if Akira was even playing then realised that he had been stationed out wide in the gameplan. That is not what they do with Frizzel.
Same with the backs and back reserves. This group has an obvious two playmaker system that requires speed from the 15 to slot in at second phase. JB doesn't offer that, hence the selection of DMac.
I'm not advocating that all of this is good just pointing out what is actually quite obvious and possibly reason for the selections that are being questioned.
Glad to see that the selectors are enforcing consequences for dumbness though. Just as RIoane was punished it appears that SB is also and TJ has been dropped (about 30 minutes too late)That's where Akira was on attack, similar to how the Blues used him pre-2019 (Very Read like) but he was tight on defense, and that's where he shone. Everyone knows he can make great runs and links well with backs, what impressed was the defensive grunt work, literally lifting Aussies out of rucks, hitting hard on defence, and showing great desperation with one handed tackles.
He also stole a bloody lineout.
Much higher ceiling than Frizzel IMO, and it's the same as with Clark and Bridge, he just needs to move on from being convervative and reward form.
I don’t disagree with any of that. Not quite sure why you quoted my post. I wasn’t saying Akita played poorly just that the overall tactics for the team were different and were looking to possibly play to the strengths you mention.
If going back to the other setup then I can see why they might think they have the right group for it.
I would hope that Akira has been given an assurance that they will give him game time next game. -
@sparky said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
We now know where Scott Barrett stand in the pecking order. Lock number 4 and he will be Lock number 5 when BBBR returns.
I think they rate him pretty highly but are clearly not impressed with what he did on Saturday. He's been dropped because of the yellow card imo.
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@akan004 yeah I think that is what I'd be thinking...he has fucked up with 2 brain farts v Aus now...go sit down in the corner and have a think about what you done gone did son!
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@taniwharugby said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@akan004 yeah I think that is what I'd be thinking...he has fucked up with 2 brain farts v Aus now...go sit down in the corner and have a think about what you done gone did son!
2 stupid acts and two losses.
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@akan004 said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@sparky said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
We now know where Scott Barrett stand in the pecking order. Lock number 4 and he will be Lock number 5 when BBBR returns.
I think they rate him pretty highly but are clearly not impressed with what he did on Saturday. He's been dropped because of the yellow card imo.
Agree.
Good to see him dropped though. He’s still young and lessons need to be made of that stupid stuff.
@Winger my selection of Ioane on the wing was more hope than thinking that’s what they would do. They appear to be using this series to build Jordie’s experience out the back as they see the upside in his game but some creases to iron out.
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@Crucial said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Crucial said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Surprised that no one has picked up that this grouping played a very different style to what we saw last week's team sent out to do.
For the first 5 minutes or so last week I was wondering if Akira was even playing then realised that he had been stationed out wide in the gameplan. That is not what they do with Frizzel.
Same with the backs and back reserves. This group has an obvious two playmaker system that requires speed from the 15 to slot in at second phase. JB doesn't offer that, hence the selection of DMac.
I'm not advocating that all of this is good just pointing out what is actually quite obvious and possibly reason for the selections that are being questioned.
Glad to see that the selectors are enforcing consequences for dumbness though. Just as RIoane was punished it appears that SB is also and TJ has been dropped (about 30 minutes too late)That's where Akira was on attack, similar to how the Blues used him pre-2019 (Very Read like) but he was tight on defense, and that's where he shone. Everyone knows he can make great runs and links well with backs, what impressed was the defensive grunt work, literally lifting Aussies out of rucks, hitting hard on defence, and showing great desperation with one handed tackles.
He also stole a bloody lineout.
Much higher ceiling than Frizzel IMO, and it's the same as with Clark and Bridge, he just needs to move on from being convervative and reward form.
I don’t disagree with any of that. Not quite sure why you quoted my post. I wasn’t saying Akita played poorly just that the overall tactics for the team were different and were looking to possibly play to the strengths you mention.
If going back to the other setup then I can see why they might think they have the right group for it.
I would hope that Akira has been given an assurance that they will give him game time next game.I was agreeing with you, and making a Read comparison to point out that they may want that wide ranging loose forward again. Good news for Robinson as well.
I just wanted to highlight the defence work because that were he has received criticism in the past. He couldn’t have been better in that area.
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@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Crucial said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Kirwan said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Crucial said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
Surprised that no one has picked up that this grouping played a very different style to what we saw last week's team sent out to do.
For the first 5 minutes or so last week I was wondering if Akira was even playing then realised that he had been stationed out wide in the gameplan. That is not what they do with Frizzel.
Same with the backs and back reserves. This group has an obvious two playmaker system that requires speed from the 15 to slot in at second phase. JB doesn't offer that, hence the selection of DMac.
I'm not advocating that all of this is good just pointing out what is actually quite obvious and possibly reason for the selections that are being questioned.
Glad to see that the selectors are enforcing consequences for dumbness though. Just as RIoane was punished it appears that SB is also and TJ has been dropped (about 30 minutes too late)That's where Akira was on attack, similar to how the Blues used him pre-2019 (Very Read like) but he was tight on defense, and that's where he shone. Everyone knows he can make great runs and links well with backs, what impressed was the defensive grunt work, literally lifting Aussies out of rucks, hitting hard on defence, and showing great desperation with one handed tackles.
He also stole a bloody lineout.
Much higher ceiling than Frizzel IMO, and it's the same as with Clark and Bridge, he just needs to move on from being convervative and reward form.
I don’t disagree with any of that. Not quite sure why you quoted my post. I wasn’t saying Akita played poorly just that the overall tactics for the team were different and were looking to possibly play to the strengths you mention.
If going back to the other setup then I can see why they might think they have the right group for it.
I would hope that Akira has been given an assurance that they will give him game time next game.I was agreeing with you, and making a Read comparison to point out that they may want that wide ranging loose forward again. Good news for Robinson as well.
I just wanted to highlight the defence work because that were he has received criticism in the past. He couldn’t have been better in that area.
I think I mentioned that he was playing a Ginga Jesus style of game in the match thread.
But agree with you on his defence and ruck work, he was hitting hard. The Tongan will need to show he can do the same this weekend rather than just be 'busy'.
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@Nepia but as also noted in the thread, they seem to use Frizell differently, he isnt stationed wide like Akira was, so unless they decide to use him like that this week, isnt a direct comparison.
