Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
With the compressed schedule I guess we were always going to see some of our key players rested.
I don’t expect big scores and near perfect rugby (anymore), but there are things that are critical to AB success and regardless of how up and down we perform, the moments before halftime is when we tend to make the opposition pay. And tonight it was very disappointing when we are camped down their end and we fail to put score board pressure on. TJP’s influence in those passages was greater than preferred and we just didn’t capitalise.
Aussies would’ve been buoyed by that given how many times we have scored on them in the 30-40 minute stage of many test matches.
He really was the captain of the headless chook stuff. Super frustrating and feel sorry for BB at 1st five......
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@DMX said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Fair to say that those who have been crying and moaning for BB at 10 and JB at 15, I think that argument has been put to rest. Still don’t get what Karl T. Is doing at this level.
He's average but who else do we currently have?
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@Tim said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Perenara has been a big turd off the bench since the Lions tests. Garbage idiot focussed on yelling at the ref.
I think this sums up quite succinctly my last 4 years worth of posts on this subject
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
TJP's form has gone the same way Cowan's did, right off a fucking cliff and he's become a liability. He's always been inconsistent, showing glimpses of being world class, but has never able to put back to back performances together. It just seems to be consistently bad now. Weber is a fucking liability as well though so we definitely have a gap to fill there.
Weber is probably not the long term answer and has his obvious limitations. But, I do feel comfortable that, if entrusted with the role, he could be trusted to come and perform the role - i.e., clear the ball quickly, keep or even increase the pace of the game and not completely lose his head. He might even be able to kick better. Unfortunately, that's the very low bar our backup halfback now has to clear. Out of the options available, he's probably best placed to perform that role.
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@akan004 said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Chris said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
That is more what I expect from a Foster coached team
Headless chook stuff.
Long couple of years coming up.Tbh, we weren't much different under Shag over his last 2-3 years.
Is this because Fozzie was actually in charge the whole time? Is this what they mean by "continuity"...?
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Here is a post of mine from last year's RWC after the Canada match - it remains as true today as ever
@junior said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@junior said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Has anyone forced their way into the top 23 if SA Selection for game one is the top 23 ?
Weber perhaps?
Game changed when he came on great pass and runs great support lines would not have thought that was a chance to take TJs spot before the WC but Webber was very good.
I agree. I can't see how anyone thought he was anything other than excellent when he came on (at least compared to TJP). He kept it simple, did his job, got the ball out quickly, backed-up well and, importantly, didn't try to do too much himself. Based on that performance, I'd feel much more confident having him to come on and guide us home in the last 10 mins of a RWC knockout match.
Really?!?! You would have Webber supplant TJP, who at times has challenged A Smith hard for the starting job this year, based on 35 minutes against Canada? You set your bar much lower than me
I actually set it quite high for halfbacks, but my metrics might be different to others. TJP is a great rugby player with a good "rugby brain", hence why he scores so many tries by running really good support lines. My problem is that's not what he should be doing - he's a halfback not an openside flanker. His pass is shit, his kicking is shit, he's selfish and greedy, his option-taking is often poor, he plays for himself more than the team and - crucially - he's not calm or smart enough to be entrusted with such a key role (at which he's not particularly proficient technically), particularly in such a crucial match. I'd much rather have Weber there in such moments, because at least you know he'll pass fast and accurately to the guys who should be taking control (e.g. Mo'unga and Barrett) rather than trying to be a hero and do it all himself.
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So we were looking good, red card changed things then we went from possession football to a defensive game because of the numbers. Once it was evened up why did we resume what appeared to be our plan and was working? With Akira and Ofa off we lost some bulk. Foster should have at least made early subs to get us back on track, fresh legs and by subbing Savea for Akira earlier. Savea and Cane played full games. That is stupid. Vaai could have come on earlier. From what I have watch of him he has not disappointed or appeared out of his depth. We don’t have to sub in the 70th minute all the time.
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Well, that's that. Probably a reflection of the two sides right now - Aus slightly better at home playing a R+R AB outfit that gets disjointed and in a broken game.
Ioane Brothers looked a class above. well done mum and dad Ioane,
Red cards ... well I'm shaking my head. Will watch both again today, but they are game wrecking decisions that seem to be dished out randomly.
TJP - since Lions 3 where he flapped around at the base of the game winning scrum and let Lions steal the ball because he was seagulling, his form has been on the slide. He i sa truely remarkable rugby player, but not playing well as a halfback at the moment. Like Laumape, shining at Super but not really transitioning to Tests.
Winner: Aussie Rugby
Losers: ABs, and rugby watchers (with cards up the wazoo).The Barrett Boys seem to be having consistent brain explosions that cost us test matches. Scott should get himself banned from Aus, and feel better about things as a result. Two trips in Black, two losses due to cards. FFS.
Overall, the lack of mental strength is a concern for me. We keep making poor decisions - it feels like 07 could creep up again (although we aren't as dominant as that side)
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@NTA said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Ah nice - they just showed some footage of Cane presenting Slipper with a bottle of plonk for his 100th.
Think that's something the GOAT started. Great to see Cane carrying on the tradition.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
A few random thoughts:
- it's pretty clear we don't have the depth to rest any of our top players, particularly A Smith and Coles. Fair enough that we did but shit some of the next tier down got exposed.
- TJP's form has gone the same way Cowan's did, right off a fucking cliff and he's become a liability. He's always been inconsistent, showing glimpses of being world class, but has never able to put back to back performances together. It just seems to be consistently bad now. Weber is a fucking liability as well though so we definitely have a gap to fill there.
- we also really need Clarke to fill a gap on the wing, and Sotutu to fill a gap at 8. Both rookies but both specialists and have oodles of class.
- Ardie was really good, but it's so blindingly obvious he isn't an 8 and he's best used from the bench wrecking havoc at the end of the match.
- midfield didn't work and I didn't really think it would. JG, ALB and Rieko are our first choice covering 12 and 13 IMO. Rieko probably still off the bench until he really finds his feet at centre at test level.
- Akira was fucking awesome, we actually lost a lot of shape when he went off. His work rate was high and he was super effective in contact. Wobs must have been extremely pleased to see the back of him after the red.
- both reds were pretty silly. Sure you can tell players to just go low, but then you basically take the dominant tackle out of the game. At the end of the day rugby is a contact sport and you're going to get some accidental contact to the head every now and then. Red carding players for that is completely over the top and ruins the spectacle.
- fucking SB and that dumb as fuck YC. I was calling for a red as it was that fucking idiotic. That's the kind of play that makes you think he can't be trusted in a big test.
- BB was not good, but I'm really not sure how RM would have gone given the pile of shit that was served up. Jury still out but RM/BB 10/15 combo has had the most success so far.
Agree with all of this and will add...
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Nick Berry made it the referee show very early on - along with some selective decisions at times.
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The AB-collectively played dumb. Headless chooks, passes going to ground, combo's/timing not quite there.
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Beaudy will get a clip in the media, but I don't think having RM would've made a difference. BB did some good things, Jordie was still available to be a second playmaker & kicker. BB tackled hard, made metres post contact, tried hard.
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I would've subbed off Sevu Reece instead of Akira in hindsight - the game became attritional in the end - Akira would've offered more plus had we know Australia would lose their 6, it would've made that forward battle interesting.
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I also blame Australia for being Australia. Never give those fluffy bunnies a chance.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Great to see the Wallabies continue their long standing tradition of winning the games that don't really matter.
Although it is funny , it is accurate
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@canefan said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Goes to show you that Test rugby demands full respect for the opposition, all those fringe players in contributed to our failure to reach the required intensity level and accuracy of execution needed to win
100%.
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@westcoastie said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
A few random thoughts:
- it's pretty clear we don't have the depth to rest any of our top players, particularly A Smith and Coles. Fair enough that we did but shit some of the next tier down got exposed.
- TJP's form has gone the same way Cowan's did, right off a fucking cliff and he's become a liability. He's always been inconsistent, showing glimpses of being world class, but has never able to put back to back performances together. It just seems to be consistently bad now. Weber is a fucking liability as well though so we definitely have a gap to fill there.
- we also really need Clarke to fill a gap on the wing, and Sotutu to fill a gap at 8. Both rookies but both specialists and have oodles of class.
- Ardie was really good, but it's so blindingly obvious he isn't an 8 and he's best used from the bench wrecking havoc at the end of the match.
- midfield didn't work and I didn't really think it would. JG, ALB and Rieko are our first choice covering 12 and 13 IMO. Rieko probably still off the bench until he really finds his feet at centre at test level.
- Akira was fucking awesome, we actually lost a lot of shape when he went off. His work rate was high and he was super effective in contact. Wobs must have been extremely pleased to see the back of him after the red.
- both reds were pretty silly. Sure you can tell players to just go low, but then you basically take the dominant tackle out of the game. At the end of the day rugby is a contact sport and you're going to get some accidental contact to the head every now and then. Red carding players for that is completely over the top and ruins the spectacle.
- fucking SB and that dumb as fuck YC. I was calling for a red as it was that fucking idiotic. That's the kind of play that makes you think he can't be trusted in a big test.
- BB was not good, but I'm really not sure how RM would have gone given the pile of shit that was served up. Jury still out but RM/BB 10/15 combo has had the most success so far.
Agree with all of this and will add...
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Nick Berry made it the referee show very early on - along with some selective decisions at times.
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The AB-collectively played dumb. Headless chooks, passes going to ground, combo's/timing not quite there.
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Beaudy will get a clip in the media, but I don't think having RM would've made a difference. BB did some good things, Jordie was still available to be a second playmaker & kicker. BB tackled hard, made metres post contact, tried hard.
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I would've subbed off Sevu Reece instead of Akira in hindsight - the game became attritional in the end - Akira would've offered more plus had we know Australia would lose their 6, it would've made that forward battle interesting.
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I also blame Australia for being Australia. Never give those fluffy bunnies a chance.
Yeah I agree.
Barretts:
Beaudy wasn't a difference maker, and I doubt that RM would've done better. Mo'unga was awesome behind an utterly dominant pack last time, beaudy probably would've been too
Scott wasn't that bad, but his brain fart lost the game. Unlike Jordie he didn't seem to have got that out of his game
Jordie was fine, just nothing bigArdie was a machine, and if we'd dropped Reese (who was a disaster) rather than Akira, I think we would've dominated the Ozzies again. Game is won up front FFS, take off a back. Esp once the red to Oz
"11 carries ✅
51 metres ✅
13 tackles ✅
2 lineout takes ✅
2 clean breaks, 5 defenders beaten ✅
Ardie Savea was simply immense in Brisbane"TJ was the other disaster. He's been awesome for the canes, but is a liability with his concentration on playing the ref and the opposition, rather than the game. At the Canes he has to do more as the senior guy, at the abs he needs to concentrate on his core role. He doesn't
The refs and home town replays were really bad.
Foster failed as a coach who can react. His substitutions were appalling, and with clever subs I think we could've overcome all there other crap to squeek a win.
Same as above, shame on cane and beaudy for not going back to what was working once it was 14 each. On field leadership was crap. Cane is a great follow me leader, but still hasn't shown anything more. Not taking the three after the yellow was stupid. There was time too get back down there again. Get blue heads on you dick heads. Coaches should have brought everyone back on line at half time, another coaching fail
Bye bye Reese and TJ, I really hope, and some of these 23 put onto the 'only in a huge fucking emergency or against a lower tier nation' list. Laumape, for ex
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I guess a positive from that is it must give Foster a clearer idea who his top team is, or damn well should.
Sure some needed a rest but they should have been managed better in the first 3 to avoid duch wholesale changes in that one.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I guess a positive from that is it must give Foster a clearer idea who his top team is, or damn well should.
Sure some needed a rest but they should have been managed better in the first 3 to avoid duch wholesale changes in that one.
Just watch him big up Reese cos he made most metres, breaks and tackles broken. He'll forget the dozens of shit decisions and executions!
