Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November
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@mariner4life yeah it's a tough one.
Priority 1 - health and safety of players
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
and i absolutely don't disagree with that. I have a problem with a tackle gone wrong being the same punishment as a full-blooded punch. I am very aware i am in the minority there though
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@MN5 said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Most of that is down to their personalities I believe
All the interviews I've seen with Akira he's seemed like a pretty chilled bloke, and when Reiko was doing those videos for the ABs he didn't seem any different than say Jane when he used to do the videos.
I can't actually understand why they wind people up so much.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
and i absolutely don't disagree with that. I have a problem with a tackle gone wrong being the same punishment as a full-blooded punch. I am very aware i am in the minority there though
I'm with you, there's no way a tackle gone wrong is the same as a punch, a knee, a kick, a bite etc.
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@mariner4life Maybe they need Yellow, Orange and Red. Orange is for careless tackles around head. 10 minutes in bin and on report, red only for intentional foul play like eating someone's ear.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
FFS, he's going to have to watch himself now, he'll need to be squeaky clean from now on.
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@Nepia said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
FFS, he's going to have to watch himself now, he'll need to be squeaky clean from now on.
people are going to have to fall a long way down for him to hit them in the scone
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@Nepia said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
FFS, he's going to have to watch himself now, he'll need to be squeaky clean from now on.
He would probably need to leap to hit a players head
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Just realised Fakatava plays for Dunedin (my old club), so he plays for the magpies but doesn't have a local club? i guess club rugby lines up with the super calendar better, never really giving it much thought
He plays for Hastings R&S, I think that's his main club, he'll only play club rugby for Dunedin when the Highlanders want to give him game time I suspect.
It happens with Magpies players in other franchises as well.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Kiwiwomble did someone say he is not yet qualified to play for NZ, and may even opt for Tonga (which IMO is the best route if he is still awaiting qualification)
I'm not sure he'll opt for Tonga, he would likely have gone to the RWC last year with them if that was the case.
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Hooper’s tackle technique is actually very good. He’s not the biggest guy height or weight wise, so he’s not trying to “front on” players like Swinton or Ofa (and many others). He gets in low and targets the rib cage.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Weber's pass was at his wobbly SRA standards the first couple and maybe one or two after but at least he was distributing the ball.
The worst part about Perenara other than his typical mouthy carry on was he'd take so long and then still throw it at someone's ankles and/or behind them.
I thought I was watching late career Weepu last night and the absolute eternity for the ball to come out of the ruck.
The irony was him trying to “speed up” the play by taking a quick tap, yet it was slow mo from the ruck.
It was just disappointing all round game from TJ. I really hope he bounces back if he gets a shot against the Argies.
I think you mean more mid career Piri when he was playing as an organiser 9, late career he was having to adapt to the Smith style of quick passing which he actually made a reasonable fist of .
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@Nepia said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Just realised Fakatava plays for Dunedin (my old club), so he plays for the magpies but doesn't have a local club? i guess club rugby lines up with the super calendar better, never really giving it much thought
He plays for Hastings R&S, I think that's his main club, he'll only play club rugby for Dunedin when the Highlanders want to give him game time I suspect.
It happens with Magpies players in other franchises as well.
now i dont know how much time i want him to get for the Landers
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
and i absolutely don't disagree with that. I have a problem with a tackle gone wrong being the same punishment as a full-blooded punch. I am very aware i am in the minority there though
I don't think that you are.
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@Snowy said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
Hooper was pretty clear in his press conference, we don't train to tackle the head, so it shouldn't happen in the game, players need to be better.
and i absolutely don't disagree with that. I have a problem with a tackle gone wrong being the same punishment as a full-blooded punch. I am very aware i am in the minority there though
I don't think that you are.
i dont think he is either, hell, i just want less penalties in general, especially for "accidents" so definitely less cards
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None of us want to see guys sent off, but I guess the challenge is that unless you have severe penalties like a red, even for accidental poor tackles, then you probably don't drive the change in technique in the same way. Do teams spend hours re-learning how to tackle lower if the penalties are less?
I dont know the answer, but I can see the rationale.
And to state the obvious, I dont think that malicious play like punching or biting etc is considered in the same light, certainly not after the fact anyway when it gets to the judiciary.
No easy answers
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@Winger said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
I personally don't like it
Why not.
because for me, and this is just my personal opinion, red cards should be for serious foul play. Neither one on the weekend meet my threshold for that.
yeah im with you on that ,
maybe im selfish but I would like to see something not quite so harsh that it ruins the game as a spectacle for the fans
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe Four: Brisbane, 7 November:
@mariner4life yeah it's a tough one.
Priority 1 - health and safety of players
Priority 2 - maintain the integrity of a a full contact sportSo, here's the thing. If Priority 1 is the H&S of players, then that applies to everyone equally - whether they are on your team or not, and as a ball carrier you have a responsibility to protect yourself.
So:
- dropping your player on their head from a lineout lift = card (didn't look after teammate)
- dropping your head into a tackle = card (didn't look after yourself) (also - see AWJ in Lions 3; JK copped a YC)
- Does poor tackle technique like putting your head in front of a runner and knocking yourself out mean you should cop a penalty/card for not protecting yourself?
I'm tongue a bit in cheek (well very in cheek), but I am making the point that H&S is not the only driver here. If it was then any act to affect another player or yourself would be stomped on and it's not.
Head high tackles look bad, and (it appears) are being reduced in incident rate fairly rapidly. However, you have the fundamental issue that rugby is a gloriously chaotic crazy impact sport where collisions happen in tight spaces with milliseconds to react. It's damn hard.
Finally, after sober viewing, I think Ofa could have got away with a yellow, but you can't argue too much with a red. Contact to head = red. Aussie Swinton, though, seemed not to be interested in arms, so was probably a double red (if that even existed; no arms, contact to head)
