Future of The Rugby Championship
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They recently signed for 10 years if I'm not mistaken. So we should be working on the assumption that they will be gone after that and make sure Japan and the US are locked in.
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@sparky said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
Sharks CEO backs Springboks joining the 6 Nations.
It of course has nothing to do with Sharks recently. being bought by a US based private equity company. 🙄
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It makes no sense from a sporting sense. It would become a mini World Cup every year for the teams that can win it apart from including the All Blacks. Devaluing the RWC and the TRC in the process.
Plus Italy are equal shareholders in the 6 nations company so it would have to be the 7 nations as if they tried to replace Italy, there would be outrage and probably years of litigation to follow.
Then we keep hearing about the traditions of the 6 nations. This would throw that out of the window completely.
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@dagrubster said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
It makes no sense from a sporting sense. It would become a mini World Cup every year for the teams that can win it apart from including the All Blacks. Devaluing the RWC and the TRC in the process.
Plus Italy are equal shareholders in the 6 nations company so it would have to be the 7 nations as if they tried to replace Italy, there would be outrage and probably years of litigation to follow.
Then we keep hearing about the traditions of the 6 nations. This would throw that out of the window completely.
Typical periodic sabre rattling by a group of saffas that don't speak for SARFU
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@machpants said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
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@sparky said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
Sharks CEO backs Springboks joining the 6 Nations.
Do the 6N actually want the Boks?
Also, WR would be stupid to weaken the other strong competition - it's not good for international rugby, which they're supposed to be in charge of.
WR have no say in who is in RC or 6N, so that's irrelevant. I would imagine that investment group that brought a chunk of the 6N would be very keen to have the boks in
They are the governing body that sanction the competition. If the World Rugby Council thought it was detrimental to the game they could block the Boks from joining, they could withhold WC funding etc.
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Wasn't sure where to put this
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@kiwimurph said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
Wasn't sure where to put this
look, i know the last 2 years have fucked up my concept of time, but it can't possibly still be 2013
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@kiwimurph same issues are still there: travel (and travelling fans), and playing summer/winter, and the strength of SA.
Durban is typically 29 degrees in January. You're going to take peopel from the snow, put them on a plane for at least 11 hours (to get to JoBurg), then get them to play in mid 20 degree heat. Can't see the athletes loving it, frankly.
Still, SA has money, so there's that.
Also, I'll believe it when I see it. This keeps getting floated, I'm still to be convinced it would fly
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I also read that the SANZAAR CEO has hinted at wanting to play the RC earlier in the year to align with the 6N. No way that works with the summer weather and no rugby being played at that time in the SH.
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@nzzp said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@kiwimurph same issues are still there: travel (and travelling fans), and playing summer/winter, and the strength of SA.
Durban is typically 29 degrees in January. You're going to take peopel from the snow, put them on a plane for at least 11 hours (to get to JoBurg), then get them to play in mid 20 degree heat. Can't see the athletes loving it, frankly.
Still, SA has money, so there's that.
Also, I'll believe it when I see it. This keeps getting floated, I'm still to be convinced it would fly
you're not wrong but it becomes a question of whats worse, those factors or doing even longer flights and having huge jet lag and having inconvenient times for games
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@kiwiwomble said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@nzzp said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@kiwimurph same issues are still there: travel (and travelling fans), and playing summer/winter, and the strength of SA.
Durban is typically 29 degrees in January. You're going to take peopel from the snow, put them on a plane for at least 11 hours (to get to JoBurg), then get them to play in mid 20 degree heat. Can't see the athletes loving it, frankly.
Still, SA has money, so there's that.
Also, I'll believe it when I see it. This keeps getting floated, I'm still to be convinced it would fly
you're not wrong but it becomes a question of whats worse, those factors or doing even longer flights and having huge jet lag and having inconvenient times for games
To clarify: I don't think that's a worry for SA; I think it will be front of mind for the 6N (aka rivers of gold)
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How does that work for the EOYT? If SA are effectively on a NH calendar and playing the 6N wouldn't that mean there is one less viable touring team and one more host demanding Tier 1 opponents?
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so, if they really, truly, totally are breaking up with us this time
does that mean rugby is a summer sport now?
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@rotated said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
How does that work for the EOYT? If SA are effectively on a NH calendar and playing the 6N wouldn't that mean there is one less viable touring team and one more host demanding Tier 1 opponents?
unless they stay on the end of year tour away - and host in June
Edit: and play their comps between Nov and June, rather than June and Nov. Hell, it kinda lines up with what Super is now (played in that window)
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@nzzp said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
How does that work for the EOYT? If SA are effectively on a NH calendar and playing the 6N wouldn't that mean there is one less viable touring team and one more host demanding Tier 1 opponents?
unless they stay on the end of year tour away - and host in June
Would Australia, NZ or Argentina be willing to undertake an away tour in June? They would need to otherwise they would never play them.
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@rotated said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@nzzp said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@rotated said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
How does that work for the EOYT? If SA are effectively on a NH calendar and playing the 6N wouldn't that mean there is one less viable touring team and one more host demanding Tier 1 opponents?
unless they stay on the end of year tour away - and host in June
Would Australia, NZ or Argentina be willing to undertake an away tour in June? They would need to otherwise they would never play them.
good point - missed that completely.
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@bovidae said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
I also read that the SANZAAR CEO has hinted at wanting to play the RC earlier in the year to align with the 6N. No way that works with the summer weather and no rugby being played at that time in the SH.
Really? No, cos Super rugby pre season starts same time as 6N - so perfectly able to play same dates. Not saying it is a good idea, but it is certainly possible
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We need a Pacific comp with Japan & US. Otherwise we are circling the drain and may as well jump ship to League.
Still think Boks to 6N is a bad and unpopular idea, but money talks louder.
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@machpants said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@bovidae said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
I also read that the SANZAAR CEO has hinted at wanting to play the RC earlier in the year to align with the 6N. No way that works with the summer weather and no rugby being played at that time in the SH.
Really? No, cos Super rugby pre season starts same time as 6N - so perfectly able to play same dates. Not saying it is a good idea, but it is certainly possible
So that makes pre season for pre season even earlier...
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@mofitzy_ said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
We need a Pacific comp with Japan & US. Otherwise we are circling the drain and may as well jump ship to League.
Still think Boks to 6N is a bad and unpopular idea, but money talks louder.
im coming around to this idea....but we need more than that otherwise will just end up with an italy in the 6N, i think if we do that then we need a club comp underneath it to bring up the level of rugby in those countries
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@machpants said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@bovidae said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
I also read that the SANZAAR CEO has hinted at wanting to play the RC earlier in the year to align with the 6N. No way that works with the summer weather and no rugby being played at that time in the SH.
Really? No, cos Super rugby pre season starts same time as 6N - so perfectly able to play same dates. Not saying it is a good idea, but it is certainly possible
so, straight in to test rugby with the players getting almost no break, and then training as the stepping stone
Sounds ideal...
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@mofitzy_ said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
We need a Pacific comp with Japan & US. Otherwise we are circling the drain and may as well jump ship to League.
Still think Boks to 6N is a bad and unpopular idea, but money talks louder.
we will absolutely murder Japan and the US every single year for eternity (the idea that an annual beating improves a team is an absolute myth). And again, someone will have to play in summer.
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Need to get Fiji involved in TRC. The AB-Fiji games last year were good viewing. Drua inclusion in Super Rugby only helps their case.
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@taniwharugby I am not surprised.
See: all the reasons I have posed previously.
Frankly, the same issues apply wiht japan for us - summer games are a bit shite. Hemisphere weather is different.
A global calendar would align this, and revenue sharing would make it less important the comp you played in
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@mariner4life said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
@mofitzy_ said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
We need a Pacific comp with Japan & US. Otherwise we are circling the drain and may as well jump ship to League.
Still think Boks to 6N is a bad and unpopular idea, but money talks louder.
we will absolutely murder Japan and the US every single year for eternity (the idea that an annual beating improves a team is an absolute myth). And again, someone will have to play in summer.
Absolutely right. The idea that more rugby=better rugby is a fallacy, certainly over a short time frame. Quality over quantity every time. What is needed is a decent structure to allow the lower tier nations to improve. And by the way, this is not simply magicked by revenue sharing. Get your fucking house in order before you expect a financial leg up. This also though requires meaningful input from the tier 1 nations. It’s a fucking sop to say “oh we’ve played xyz tier 3 nation at hone and bunged them a few quid”. Meaningful, regular games. Maybe tier 1 second teams v tier 2/3., but every say 2 years. The money is there for that if all the big boys commit.
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@catogrande all very true
But the major unions pay lip service only. It's all about dollars.
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agreed there needs to be a plan to bring the other nations up
quality over quantity definitely....BUT...also accept we cant have both, just playing SA and Aus 3-4 times a year (or the NZ super teams all just playing each other) will kill things just as quick. these hard games cause more injuries and less interest as its all groundhog day.
If we're sticking to the Quality argument then we should just have less super and international games and let the player play some NPC
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@kiwiwomble said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
agreed there needs to be a plan to bring the other nations up
quality over quantity definitely....BUT...also accept we cant have both, just playing SA and Aus 3-4 times a year (or the NZ super teams all just playing each other) will kill things just as quick. these hard games cause more injuries and less interest as its all groundhog day.
If we're sticking to the Quality argument then we should just have less super and international games and let the player play some NPC
SA isn’t going north, no one there wants a travel schedule to SA to ruin a great champs. Unless SA agree to play all their games somewhere in EU/UK, which could work.
Hopefully the new not Lions not Cup system will sort this out. Yes we’ll have shit travel Arg/SA/Jap/NZ/Oz/Fiji? But it won’t be same shit over and over again. Tho I guess we’ll still play the Ozzies twice.
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If SA played in the 6N, there would be no point the Lions touring there...
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@taniwharugby
I'm happy to see this. However, I know people on both sides are still pushing for this. -
@taniwharugby said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
If SA played in the 6N, there would be no point the Lions touring there...
On the ground it feels like there is huge support for this from the RahRah media, little support for it from the actual clubs and mixed support from the fans.
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I hope that somewhere, someone is trying to get the rugby Championship back on track following the same model as the Six nations (NZ, SA, Oz, Fiji, Japan, Argies) with five games per team. I imagine one of these assholes companies will pay plenty for some of that action.
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@gt12 said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
I hope that somewhere, someone is trying to get the rugby Championship back on track following the same model as the Six nations (NZ, SA, Oz, Fiji, Japan, Argies) with five games per team. I imagine one of these assholes companies will pay plenty for some of that action.
Or we could have a tournament every two years in the RWC off cycle mixed with test series in the other years (one NH incoming tour, one SH incoming tour)
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@gt12 said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
I hope that somewhere, someone is trying to get the rugby Championship back on track following the same model as the Six nations (NZ, SA, Oz, Fiji, Japan, Argies) with five games per team. I imagine one of these assholes companies will pay plenty for some of that action.
my too, and where it fells at least slightly better than the 6N is i think Japan and Fiji can catch Argentina so everyone has at least one or two teams they can beat
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@gt12 said in Future of The Rugby Championship:
I hope that somewhere, someone is trying to get the rugby Championship back on track following the same model as the Six nations (NZ, SA, Oz, Fiji, Japan, Argies) with five games per team. I imagine one of these assholes companies will pay plenty for some of that action.
A common calendar would help.