Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October
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Can we all just agree that Jordie is a fullback who's being forced to play wing. He's been arguably the best fullback in the country this year. He's safe as houses under the high ball, he's strong with ball in hand and he's got a fantastic kicking game. The only reason he isn't playing in his preferred position is because of Beauden who IMO didn't deserve the jersey after a fairly mediocre year.
Is he a wing? Probably not, but he isn't exactly going to say no when the selectors throw him the jersey.
These coaches need to give the fans what they really want and start a back three of 11. Clarke 14. Jordan and 15. Jordie.
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Who is disagreeing?
This conversation is about who should be starting in the 14 jersey.
No one expects him to say no to it.
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@chimoaus said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@Nepia I suspect many think that Reece and Clarke maybe weak as they are not as tall as the Giraffe or Bridge. TBH I think all our wingers can catch a high ball, they wouldn't be there if they couldn't. If you have a perfectly placed box kick and good chasers it doesn't matter who the winger is there is a chance they could drop it or not receive it well.
Is there even a statistic on ball retention from box kicks and on a per player basis?
On a podcast I think Hall said that Clarke is considered (by some) to be the best in the country. For those with pace etc he and Jordan are probably the two at the top of the queue. I assume that the selectors just don't want two new wings out there - they didn't even want one new wing out there.
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@gt12 I should rephrase that better, what I mean is let's just acknowledge that Jordie is a fullback first and a winger/centre second, meaning he lacks some of the qualities that a typical winger should naturally possess (speed), and that he is a lot more accustomed to fullback where he can use his strengths (height, size, kicking game) more effectively.
I would rather see Jordie on the bench covering 12,13,15 if he isn't going to start at fullback because I think someone like Jordan would probably fit into that 14 jersey more naturally as he has that speed/elusiveness to open a game up a game from the back.
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@Canes4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@gt12 I should rephrase that better, what I mean is let's just acknowledge that Jordie is a fullback first and a winger/centre second, meaning he lacks some of the qualities that a typical winger should naturally possess (speed), and that he is a lot more accustomed to fullback where he can use his strengths (height, size, kicking game) more effectively.
I would rather see Jordie on the bench covering 12,13,15 if he isn't going to start at fullback because I think someone like Jordan would probably fit into that 14 jersey more naturally as he has that speed/elusiveness to open a game up a game from the back.
You still harping on about him being a midfielder?
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@Canes4life said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
Can we all just agree that Jordie is a fullback who's being forced to play wing. He's been arguably the best fullback in the country this year. He's safe as houses under the high ball, he's strong with ball in hand and he's got a fantastic kicking game. The only reason he isn't playing in his preferred position is because of Beauden who IMO didn't deserve the jersey after a fairly mediocre year.
Is he a wing? Probably not, but he isn't exactly going to say no when the selectors throw him the jersey.
These coaches need to give the fans what they really want and start a back three of 11. Clarke 14. Jordan and 15. Jordie.
Breaking news, not all All Black selections are made on recent super rugby form.
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@ACT-Crusader no shit, it's why Beauden's still starting.
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@Canes4life so why talk about “deserving”?
There was no way the AB selectors were going to leave out their most experienced back (other than Smith) even if his form at Super rugby was up and down.
The only question was do they see more upside with
B. Barrett and DMac 10-15 combo or Mo’unga and B. Barrett 10-15 combo.
So far it’s been the latter. Could change against Argies.
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@ACT-Crusader I know Foster obviously wanted to start his tenure off with a win by selecting that experience but for me I would have liked to see Jordan and Jordie get that first opportunity after playing the house down all year. No better opportunity than throwing those guys into a test on home turf against a fairly inexperienced Australian side.
That's just me though, others like Foster want to be conserative by selecting a more experienced side and that's fine. It's all a matter of opinion. Heck you could even argue the RM/BB combo failed at the WC so why even persist with it. I guess that's what makes the debate around some of these selections so absorbing
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@voodoo said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
I banged that drum as an advantage he possessed, then we kicked high to his wing about as often as he made 55m penalties
Fozzie's keeping his powder dry.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Three: Sydney, 31 October:
@chimoaus pretty sure Clarke is as tall as Bridge, if not taller!
Caleb might be borrowing Ardie's box to stand on for those official stats. Apparently he's a centimetre taller than Will Jordan!
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