The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
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@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their used by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
You are right. The 1996/97 team was basically Laurie's 1995 finalist team + Christian Cullen
He still picked Cullen though when from memory lots of guys were saying he should pick Osbourne.
Lumping Hart in with Foster seems extremely harsh.
Like Shag, Hart inherited an excellent team then added a few pieces. I am happy to give him credit for coaching that team to our first series win in SA, just as Shag took GHs 2011 team and remodelled it on his way to a 2015 RWC win. Obviously Hart's 1998 drop off was bigger than Shag's stumbles towards the penultimate hurdle in Yokohama, but both had their issues in the preceding time leading up to their final RWCs in terms of installing quality young replacements for outgoing players. Both had teams capable of winning it all but fell short. Those two have more in common than either has with Fozzie.
Well at least NZ Media has moved on a bit from the 1999 WC. Those ‘guilty’ headlines with a big photo of John Hart were cringy as fuck.
The NZ rugby public hardly covered themselves in glory either (I'm looking at you, horse spitter)
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Sotutu is so clearly the leading #8.
Akira was clearly the superior 6.
JB is so clearly not in the top 2,3,4,5(?) of the wingers in the country..And his bench replacements are so effin obviously badly timed..
As to overall team strategies and discipline..
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@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Perhaps we need to start acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, our players just aren't that great?
Our props are nothing above average. At lock we've had 2 great ones in 25 years. And we let one leave, and cooked the other. At loose forward we are committed to playing a 7 at 8. Our 7 is good. The rest are in the "hopefully one day" pile.
We have 1 great halfback. Our options at 10 are a rookie yet to show he can do more than run the ball at shit defences, and a veteran who is the same. In the midfield ALB is good, those around varying levels of "meh". Wings are a couple of exciting talents who aren't allowed to start there, and a young 15. At 15 we have one of those earlier mentioned 10s, and his talented but erratic little brother.
This squad needs some serious coaching.
Honestly how many players from the Australian or Argentinian teams would you actually take in the All Blacks?
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@hydro11 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Perhaps we need to start acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, our players just aren't that great?
Our props are nothing above average. At lock we've had 2 great ones in 25 years. And we let one leave, and cooked the other. At loose forward we are committed to playing a 7 at 8. Our 7 is good. The rest are in the "hopefully one day" pile.
We have 1 great halfback. Our options at 10 are a rookie yet to show he can do more than run the ball at shit defences, and a veteran who is the same. In the midfield ALB is good, those around varying levels of "meh". Wings are a couple of exciting talents who aren't allowed to start there, and a young 15. At 15 we have one of those earlier mentioned 10s, and his talented but erratic little brother.
This squad needs some serious coaching.
Honestly how many players from the Australian or Argentinian teams would you actually take in the All Blacks?
Hi Fitzy, welcome to the fern
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@hydro11 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Perhaps we need to start acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, our players just aren't that great?
Our props are nothing above average. At lock we've had 2 great ones in 25 years. And we let one leave, and cooked the other. At loose forward we are committed to playing a 7 at 8. Our 7 is good. The rest are in the "hopefully one day" pile.
We have 1 great halfback. Our options at 10 are a rookie yet to show he can do more than run the ball at shit defences, and a veteran who is the same. In the midfield ALB is good, those around varying levels of "meh". Wings are a couple of exciting talents who aren't allowed to start there, and a young 15. At 15 we have one of those earlier mentioned 10s, and his talented but erratic little brother.
This squad needs some serious coaching.
Honestly how many players from the Australian or Argentinian teams would you actually take in the All Blacks?
Is this part of our problem? It's great having the 15 best players in your team but if they cannot work together and beat a team full of lesser players then perhaps, they aren't as good as we think?
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@chimoaus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
if they cannot work together and beat a team full of lesser players then perhaps, they aren't as good as we think?
Or perhaps the mental side of the game is missing and they aren't being coached on that side of things well enough.
They're good players, we have all seen that at times. The concerning bit is the "at times".
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@hydro11 Tupou, Slipper , Wilson, Philip would be upgrades to your pack imo. White has been playing better than TJ and Weber, outside of Sydney. Id take Toomua over Goodhue or Laumape at 12. Petaia will be better than ALB though id probably still start ALB at this point.
i said it jokingly but Jordie Barrett really is just a shittier slower version of Hodge.
Our best team is right there with the All Blacks imo, depth and consistency are our issues.
Edit: also Matera is my first name on any teamsheet of the three countries as Captain.
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@Derpus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
White has been playing better than TJ and Weber
I was going to say that we have a "no dickheads policy" so White wouldn't make it.
Then I saw who we have, then I realised that you still need a halfback. So that policy is completely screwed (although White is an exceptional dickhead).
Maybe we get Coles for free?
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@Derpus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Matera is my first name on any teamsheet of the three countries as Captain.
he is awesome, thier 7, Kremer? was awesome last night too
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@nostrildamus nah liability
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I have been reading all of this dribble and utter bullshit about poor culture. What a bunch of bloody PC friggin' dickheads !!! If you think this way , you all need to "man the hell up".
The boys are talented, our issue is with the top 4 inches possessed by the Coaching Team. Poor game plan, poor selection choices and the most frustrating thing is poor game day management when it comes to using the bench. There is a hesitation to make to bring on the bench at the right time.
What is said at half-time? Why have we stopped committing players to the breakdown and bringing some damn mongrel into the game? Not the shit brain explosions we see from Coles but hit the breakdown and damn well clean them out.
I don't give a crap about the Aussie result, but losing to the Argies was embarrassing.
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@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@number9 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
our issue is with the top 4 inches possessed by the Coaching Team
AKA culture. Welcome to the 21st century dude. Man the hell up, yeah that works 🙄
Yes man the hell up, top 4 inches has nothing to do with culture it has everything to do with strategy. And yes the suicide rates in the 21sr Century are disgusting because no one man's up like they use to. Too much blame shifting and tagging everything with a damn label.
When we all came from the islands we all "manned the hell up".
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@number9 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@number9 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
our issue is with the top 4 inches possessed by the Coaching Team
AKA culture. Welcome to the 21st century dude. Man the hell up, yeah that works 🙄
Yes man the hell up, top 4 inches has nothing to do with culture it has everything to do with strategy. And yes the suicide rates in the 21sr Century are disgusting because no one man's up like they use to. Too much blame shifting and tagging everything with a damn label.
When we all came from the islands we all "manned the hell up".
Haha I hear you PC BS drives me nuts.Say it like it is .
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@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Or perhaps the mental side of the game is missing and they aren't being coached on that side of things well enough.
I think the mental state - esp. under pressure - has been a problem for several years. Can't blame Foster for that, but has he the tools to fix it?
May be just me, but there seems to be a lack of inner passion in the team. We don't seem to see the BBBT fist pumps or Carter's yelling after a drop kick much anymore. All looks flat.
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Its very, very seldom that the ABs lose two matches in a row, so I waded through a great number of your 600+ and counting comments. The emotion in the immediate aftermath is to be expected however distance gives a slightly different perspective.
First the comments show the NZ public is passionate and knowledgeable. A good base to work from.
Second a number of valid points have been raised. In particular gt12's "just choose". This would generate tremendous competition for a number of places in the team and incredible performances would result. The battles for 2, 7, 9, 10, 11, 14 and 15 in particular would show off more talent than is available anywhere else in the world.
Third. There are some weaknesses and its unrealistic to think there would never be at least some. Depth at lock is clearly an issue. A weakness that needs a lot of good coaching for sure. But a weakness non-the less, not a disaster.
Fourth a poser for me. The ABs have been brilliant at scrambling wins, often in the dying moments when many facets of the game have not been working. Why, then, do they collapse when they loose a player? A loss last year was understandable but not the extent of the drubbing. And this year against rookie Wallabies and when they even enjoyed a 10 min numerical advantage???
And just stepping back a bit. The draw. How different if Rico had grounded the ball. Against Argentina. If Rico (again, but I do believe he is a very fine player) had caught that second half pass and Also HS passing with the line at his mercy? So close to 3 wins from 4 and very different emotions I suggest... -
@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Perhaps we need to start acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, our players just aren't that great?
Our props are nothing above average. At lock we've had 2 great ones in 25 years. And we let one leave, and cooked the other. At loose forward we are committed to playing a 7 at 8. Our 7 is good. The rest are in the "hopefully one day" pile.
We have 1 great halfback. Our options at 10 are a rookie yet to show he can do more than run the ball at shit defences, and a veteran who is the same. In the midfield ALB is good, those around varying levels of "meh". Wings are a couple of exciting talents who aren't allowed to start there, and a young 15. At 15 we have one of those earlier mentioned 10s, and his talented but erratic little brother.
This squad needs some serious coaching.
We have a very small core of senior guys who are "world class", without being the best in the world in their positions. We also have what appears to be a very, very talented but equally inexperienced crop of guys who could reach that world class bracket with proper coaching and if given the chance to get there (unfortunately they all appear to be loose forwards, midfielders and outside backs).
It's middle band of guys that are the issue, as I see it. We've got way too way guys in that 20-50 test range (some have more) who would struggle to make the teams of our closest rivals.
