The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
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@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
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Perhaps we need to start acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, our players just aren't that great?
Our props are nothing above average. At lock we've had 2 great ones in 25 years. And we let one leave, and cooked the other. At loose forward we are committed to playing a 7 at 8. Our 7 is good. The rest are in the "hopefully one day" pile.
We have 1 great halfback. Our options at 10 are a rookie yet to show he can do more than run the ball at shit defences, and a veteran who is the same. In the midfield ALB is good, those around varying levels of "meh". Wings are a couple of exciting talents who aren't allowed to start there, and a young 15. At 15 we have one of those earlier mentioned 10s, and his talented but erratic little brother.
This squad needs some serious coaching.
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@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Perhaps we need to start acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, our players just aren't that great?
Our props are nothing above average. At lock we've had 2 great ones in 25 years. And we let one leave, and cooked the other. At loose forward we are committed to playing a 7 at 8. Our 7 is good. The rest are in the "hopefully one day" pile.
We have 1 great halfback. Our options at 10 are a rookie yet to show he can do more than run the ball at shit defences, and a veteran who is the same. In the midfield ALB is good, those around varying levels of "meh". Wings are a couple of exciting talents who aren't allowed to start there, and a young 15. At 15 we have one of those earlier mentioned 10s, and his talented but erratic little brother.
This squad needs some serious coaching.
So probably not the best time to install a guy who has never won anything, never been head coach of a test side, just so we don't rock the boat of the outgoing coach?
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@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their use by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
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@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their used by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
You are right. The 1996/97 team was basically Laurie's 1995 finalist team + Christian Cullen
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@Derpus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Im a bit irked this bloke managed a record win against us with a pretty average side. Definitely a mark against Rennie.
Australia really need to get the inferiority complex out of their skulls because man for man this side isnt that much better.
Any All Black team would have run rampant that day, you just cannot turn it over and miss tackles like they did. They showed in Wellington and Brisbane what Rennie was wanting them to do and they got results.
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@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their used by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
You are right. The 1996/97 team was basically Laurie's 1995 finalist team + Christian Cullen
He still picked Cullen though when from memory lots of guys were saying he should pick Osbourne.
Lumping Hart in with Foster seems extremely harsh.
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@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their used by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
You are right. The 1996/97 team was basically Laurie's 1995 finalist team + Christian Cullen
He still picked Cullen though when from memory lots of guys were saying he should pick Osbourne.
Lumping Hart in with Foster seems extremely harsh.
Like Shag, Hart inherited an excellent team then added a few pieces. I am happy to give him credit for coaching that team to our first series win in SA, just as Shag took GHs 2011 team and remodelled it on his way to a 2015 RWC win. Obviously Hart's 1998 drop off was bigger than Shag's stumbles towards the penultimate hurdle in Yokohama, but both had their issues in the preceding time leading up to their final RWCs in terms of installing quality young replacements for outgoing players. Both had teams capable of winning it all but fell short. Those two have more in common than either has with Fozzie.
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@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their used by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
You are right. The 1996/97 team was basically Laurie's 1995 finalist team + Christian Cullen
He still picked Cullen though when from memory lots of guys were saying he should pick Osbourne.
Lumping Hart in with Foster seems extremely harsh.
Like Shag, Hart inherited an excellent team then added a few pieces. I am happy to give him credit for coaching that team to our first series win in SA, just as Shag took GHs 2011 team and remodelled it on his way to a 2015 RWC win. Obviously Hart's 1998 drop off was bigger than Shag's stumbles towards the penultimate hurdle in Yokohama, but both had their issues in the preceding time leading up to their final RWCs in terms of installing quality young replacements for outgoing players. Both had teams capable of winning it all but fell short. Those two have more in common than either has with Fozzie.
Well at least NZ Media has moved on a bit from the 1999 WC. Those ‘guilty’ headlines with a big photo of John Hart were cringy as fuck.
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@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their used by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
You are right. The 1996/97 team was basically Laurie's 1995 finalist team + Christian Cullen
He still picked Cullen though when from memory lots of guys were saying he should pick Osbourne.
Lumping Hart in with Foster seems extremely harsh.
Like Shag, Hart inherited an excellent team then added a few pieces. I am happy to give him credit for coaching that team to our first series win in SA, just as Shag took GHs 2011 team and remodelled it on his way to a 2015 RWC win. Obviously Hart's 1998 drop off was bigger than Shag's stumbles towards the penultimate hurdle in Yokohama, but both had their issues in the preceding time leading up to their final RWCs in terms of installing quality young replacements for outgoing players. Both had teams capable of winning it all but fell short. Those two have more in common than either has with Fozzie.
Well at least NZ Media has moved on a bit from the 1999 WC. Those ‘guilty’ headlines with a big photo of John Hart were cringy as fuck.
No more wide bodied jets with AB front rows painted on the side either
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@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their used by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
You are right. The 1996/97 team was basically Laurie's 1995 finalist team + Christian Cullen
He still picked Cullen though when from memory lots of guys were saying he should pick Osbourne.
Lumping Hart in with Foster seems extremely harsh.
Like Shag, Hart inherited an excellent team then added a few pieces. I am happy to give him credit for coaching that team to our first series win in SA, just as Shag took GHs 2011 team and remodelled it on his way to a 2015 RWC win. Obviously Hart's 1998 drop off was bigger than Shag's stumbles towards the penultimate hurdle in Yokohama, but both had their issues in the preceding time leading up to their final RWCs in terms of installing quality young replacements for outgoing players. Both had teams capable of winning it all but fell short. Those two have more in common than either has with Fozzie.
Well at least NZ Media has moved on a bit from the 1999 WC. Those ‘guilty’ headlines with a big photo of John Hart were cringy as fuck.
The NZ rugby public hardly covered themselves in glory either (I'm looking at you, horse spitter)
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Sotutu is so clearly the leading #8.
Akira was clearly the superior 6.
JB is so clearly not in the top 2,3,4,5(?) of the wingers in the country..And his bench replacements are so effin obviously badly timed..
As to overall team strategies and discipline..
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@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Perhaps we need to start acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, our players just aren't that great?
Our props are nothing above average. At lock we've had 2 great ones in 25 years. And we let one leave, and cooked the other. At loose forward we are committed to playing a 7 at 8. Our 7 is good. The rest are in the "hopefully one day" pile.
We have 1 great halfback. Our options at 10 are a rookie yet to show he can do more than run the ball at shit defences, and a veteran who is the same. In the midfield ALB is good, those around varying levels of "meh". Wings are a couple of exciting talents who aren't allowed to start there, and a young 15. At 15 we have one of those earlier mentioned 10s, and his talented but erratic little brother.
This squad needs some serious coaching.
Honestly how many players from the Australian or Argentinian teams would you actually take in the All Blacks?
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@hydro11 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Perhaps we need to start acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, our players just aren't that great?
Our props are nothing above average. At lock we've had 2 great ones in 25 years. And we let one leave, and cooked the other. At loose forward we are committed to playing a 7 at 8. Our 7 is good. The rest are in the "hopefully one day" pile.
We have 1 great halfback. Our options at 10 are a rookie yet to show he can do more than run the ball at shit defences, and a veteran who is the same. In the midfield ALB is good, those around varying levels of "meh". Wings are a couple of exciting talents who aren't allowed to start there, and a young 15. At 15 we have one of those earlier mentioned 10s, and his talented but erratic little brother.
This squad needs some serious coaching.
Honestly how many players from the Australian or Argentinian teams would you actually take in the All Blacks?
Hi Fitzy, welcome to the fern
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@hydro11 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Perhaps we need to start acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, our players just aren't that great?
Our props are nothing above average. At lock we've had 2 great ones in 25 years. And we let one leave, and cooked the other. At loose forward we are committed to playing a 7 at 8. Our 7 is good. The rest are in the "hopefully one day" pile.
We have 1 great halfback. Our options at 10 are a rookie yet to show he can do more than run the ball at shit defences, and a veteran who is the same. In the midfield ALB is good, those around varying levels of "meh". Wings are a couple of exciting talents who aren't allowed to start there, and a young 15. At 15 we have one of those earlier mentioned 10s, and his talented but erratic little brother.
This squad needs some serious coaching.
Honestly how many players from the Australian or Argentinian teams would you actually take in the All Blacks?
Is this part of our problem? It's great having the 15 best players in your team but if they cannot work together and beat a team full of lesser players then perhaps, they aren't as good as we think?
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@chimoaus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
if they cannot work together and beat a team full of lesser players then perhaps, they aren't as good as we think?
Or perhaps the mental side of the game is missing and they aren't being coached on that side of things well enough.
They're good players, we have all seen that at times. The concerning bit is the "at times".
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@hydro11 Tupou, Slipper , Wilson, Philip would be upgrades to your pack imo. White has been playing better than TJ and Weber, outside of Sydney. Id take Toomua over Goodhue or Laumape at 12. Petaia will be better than ALB though id probably still start ALB at this point.
i said it jokingly but Jordie Barrett really is just a shittier slower version of Hodge.
Our best team is right there with the All Blacks imo, depth and consistency are our issues.
Edit: also Matera is my first name on any teamsheet of the three countries as Captain.
