The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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@rotated said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
We don't need to be spitting at racehorses again but the media is way too chummy.....If the media did their job the Foster appointment may not have slipped through the radar.
Sumo Stevenson is the worst offender here. He decided a few years ago that he could get more gigs by being a toady to NZR and the AB coaches. He regularly serves up sick-inducing sycophancy. Puff piece after puff piece after puff piece. The cumulative effect is to swell up certain people's heads who should know better
We need the media to be critical friends to the AB bosses not their mates.
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@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@sparky Not any more, he's moved on now to Spark. Much more confrontational
While we all need a day job, his views are often conveniently strident towards his wage payers, and strongly against any doubters of them.
He was quick to put the boot into the ‘armchair critics’ of the cards last week, but I wonder whether he’s said much about the similar views of Sir JK and his fellow panelists.
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based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough. -
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
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@canefan I see your 1998 and raise you the spectre that is 2020
"This role always comes with pressure and what I feel now is [a] massive disappointment that I haven't achieved what I wanted to achieve in the last two games," says Foster.
"It's the second week in a row that we haven't shown good composure when things weren't going our way. We got rattled again and that's something we will have to work on," says Foster.
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@Donsteppa said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@sparky Not any more, he's moved on now to Spark. Much more confrontational
While we all need a day job, his views are often conveniently strident towards his wage payers, and strongly against any doubters of them.
I think this is the point that shits me most with Sumo but there are others. If you are getting paid to cover something you can't turn around and lecture others about it not being important.
He has been critical of those outside of his mates, Hansen copped it for the RWC while he wrote Read's biography for example.
I wish we could get back to the days where the most prominent voices were ex-ABs and those seriously invested in the long term health of NZ Rugby.
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@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
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@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
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Perhaps we need to start acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, our players just aren't that great?
Our props are nothing above average. At lock we've had 2 great ones in 25 years. And we let one leave, and cooked the other. At loose forward we are committed to playing a 7 at 8. Our 7 is good. The rest are in the "hopefully one day" pile.
We have 1 great halfback. Our options at 10 are a rookie yet to show he can do more than run the ball at shit defences, and a veteran who is the same. In the midfield ALB is good, those around varying levels of "meh". Wings are a couple of exciting talents who aren't allowed to start there, and a young 15. At 15 we have one of those earlier mentioned 10s, and his talented but erratic little brother.
This squad needs some serious coaching.
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@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Perhaps we need to start acknowledging that maybe, just maybe, our players just aren't that great?
Our props are nothing above average. At lock we've had 2 great ones in 25 years. And we let one leave, and cooked the other. At loose forward we are committed to playing a 7 at 8. Our 7 is good. The rest are in the "hopefully one day" pile.
We have 1 great halfback. Our options at 10 are a rookie yet to show he can do more than run the ball at shit defences, and a veteran who is the same. In the midfield ALB is good, those around varying levels of "meh". Wings are a couple of exciting talents who aren't allowed to start there, and a young 15. At 15 we have one of those earlier mentioned 10s, and his talented but erratic little brother.
This squad needs some serious coaching.
So probably not the best time to install a guy who has never won anything, never been head coach of a test side, just so we don't rock the boat of the outgoing coach?
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@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their use by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
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@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their used by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
You are right. The 1996/97 team was basically Laurie's 1995 finalist team + Christian Cullen
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@Derpus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Im a bit irked this bloke managed a record win against us with a pretty average side. Definitely a mark against Rennie.
Australia really need to get the inferiority complex out of their skulls because man for man this side isnt that much better.
Any All Black team would have run rampant that day, you just cannot turn it over and miss tackles like they did. They showed in Wellington and Brisbane what Rennie was wanting them to do and they got results.
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@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their used by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
You are right. The 1996/97 team was basically Laurie's 1995 finalist team + Christian Cullen
He still picked Cullen though when from memory lots of guys were saying he should pick Osbourne.
Lumping Hart in with Foster seems extremely harsh.
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@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their used by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
You are right. The 1996/97 team was basically Laurie's 1995 finalist team + Christian Cullen
He still picked Cullen though when from memory lots of guys were saying he should pick Osbourne.
Lumping Hart in with Foster seems extremely harsh.
Like Shag, Hart inherited an excellent team then added a few pieces. I am happy to give him credit for coaching that team to our first series win in SA, just as Shag took GHs 2011 team and remodelled it on his way to a 2015 RWC win. Obviously Hart's 1998 drop off was bigger than Shag's stumbles towards the penultimate hurdle in Yokohama, but both had their issues in the preceding time leading up to their final RWCs in terms of installing quality young replacements for outgoing players. Both had teams capable of winning it all but fell short. Those two have more in common than either has with Fozzie.
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@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their used by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
You are right. The 1996/97 team was basically Laurie's 1995 finalist team + Christian Cullen
He still picked Cullen though when from memory lots of guys were saying he should pick Osbourne.
Lumping Hart in with Foster seems extremely harsh.
Like Shag, Hart inherited an excellent team then added a few pieces. I am happy to give him credit for coaching that team to our first series win in SA, just as Shag took GHs 2011 team and remodelled it on his way to a 2015 RWC win. Obviously Hart's 1998 drop off was bigger than Shag's stumbles towards the penultimate hurdle in Yokohama, but both had their issues in the preceding time leading up to their final RWCs in terms of installing quality young replacements for outgoing players. Both had teams capable of winning it all but fell short. Those two have more in common than either has with Fozzie.
Well at least NZ Media has moved on a bit from the 1999 WC. Those ‘guilty’ headlines with a big photo of John Hart were cringy as fuck.
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@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@MN5 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@canefan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@taniwharugby said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
based on the Title...I'd say not good.
I have been willing to give him space, but many of the errors and poor decisions we are making are no different to last year, now either the players arent listening or the coaching is to blame.
I think the large portion goes on the coaching.
We made a raft of changes for B4, and look how disjointed we were, so what do we do, knee jerk into wholesale changes for this one...while I guess it was always planned that way, sometimes you need to change and adapt, react to the situation.
I wonder if some players who Fozzie has planned on putting on a plane tomorrow, will stay on, or stick to the plan?
But what it all boils down to:
Draw
Win
Win
Loss
Loss
40% Winning rate = not good enough.He's heading towards the realm of the 1998 team
Well, the difference there is John Hart was coming off two outstanding years. What has a Foster done?
Hart was a massive failure too. Anyone could have coached the 96 and 97 ABs, they were filled with world class players. He inherited a great team in 96 but we all knew they were ageing. His problem was that he didn't build depth, he refused to give some of the younger players a go even against the tier 2 nations or in dead rubbers. When most of those guys either left at the end of 97 or became past their used by date in 98, he had to replace them with inexperienced rookies and we had our worst ever year in 98.
You are right. The 1996/97 team was basically Laurie's 1995 finalist team + Christian Cullen
He still picked Cullen though when from memory lots of guys were saying he should pick Osbourne.
Lumping Hart in with Foster seems extremely harsh.
Like Shag, Hart inherited an excellent team then added a few pieces. I am happy to give him credit for coaching that team to our first series win in SA, just as Shag took GHs 2011 team and remodelled it on his way to a 2015 RWC win. Obviously Hart's 1998 drop off was bigger than Shag's stumbles towards the penultimate hurdle in Yokohama, but both had their issues in the preceding time leading up to their final RWCs in terms of installing quality young replacements for outgoing players. Both had teams capable of winning it all but fell short. Those two have more in common than either has with Fozzie.
Well at least NZ Media has moved on a bit from the 1999 WC. Those ‘guilty’ headlines with a big photo of John Hart were cringy as fuck.
No more wide bodied jets with AB front rows painted on the side either
