The Cane vs Savea Debate
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.
If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.That might have been handy.
Robin Brooke?
Luke Whitelock
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@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.
If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.That might have been handy.
Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.
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@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.
If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.That might have been handy.
Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.
If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.
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I'm a Hansen fan in general, but selecting Barrett over Cane was amateur hour. We dominated their lineout in the prior game, but that was a long time ago and a different team, and Jones was not ever going to make that mistake twice.
The mismanagement of Luatua is my biggest gripe though. He needed to be selected consistently, not ditched and left to go offshore. He was the guy who would have overtaken Read in time for the WC. -
@reprobate said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
I'm a Hansen fan in general, but selecting Barrett over Cane was amateur hour. We dominated their lineout in the prior game, but that was a long time ago and a different team, and Jones was not ever going to make that mistake twice.
The mismanagement of Luatua is my biggest gripe though. He needed to be selected consistently, not ditched and left to go offshore. He was the guy who would have overtaken Read in time for the WC.I Might be wrong but I don’t reckon it was the line out , Set piece may have been a bit of it,
But I suspect he thought the pack was a bit lightweight Up against England and was adding a bit of bulk , but didn’t want to say that , so used the lineout story ,
Either way , it was a mistake
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@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.
If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.That might have been handy.
Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.
If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.
If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.That might have been handy.
Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.
If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.
Not another thread hi-jacked...
Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?
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@DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.
If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.That might have been handy.
Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.
If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.
Not another thread hi-jacked...
Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.
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It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.
With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.
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@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.
If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.That might have been handy.
Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.
If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.
Not another thread hi-jacked...
Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.
Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.
If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.That might have been handy.
Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.
If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.
Not another thread hi-jacked...
Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.
Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.
McDonald picked Sotutu over him as well....
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@canefan said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.
If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.That might have been handy.
Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.
If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.
Not another thread hi-jacked...
Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.
Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.
McDonald picked Sotutu over him as well....
Because Sotutu is a no8 and Akira is a blindside?
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@gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.
With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.
Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating
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@MN5 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.
With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.
Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating
I think I agree but not sure what you're saying?
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@Bones said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@MN5 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.
With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.
Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating
I think I agree but not sure what you're saying?
@MN5 is trying to phlex his comic talent.
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@Bovidae said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@Bones said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@MN5 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.
With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.
Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating
I think I agree but not sure what you're saying?
@MN5 is trying to phlex his comic talent.
Fuck that is well done
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@Bones said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@MN5 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
It’s a weird selection that only really worked against Oz. And, honestly, it was probably the key position that put us in the shit last year.
With Luatua being as good as he was and is, I find that selection blind spot a bit unforgivable.
Kiwis are obsessed with nil by mouth but I find all the screaming really irritating
I think I agree but not sure what you're saying?
Ordinarily this would sum up the vast majority of my posts, but to clarify....
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@canefan said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.
If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.That might have been handy.
Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.
If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.
Not another thread hi-jacked...
Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.
Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.
McDonald picked Sotutu over him as well....
Because Sotutu is a no8 and Akira is a blindside?
Hasn't Akira been an 8 since he started with Auckland and the Blues? He's only played 6 this season, because he can't get a game ahead of Sotutu.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@DMX said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@ACT-Crusader said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@pukunui said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@shark said in The Cane vs Savea Debate:
@gt12 There was certainly a succession planning issue with Read, but there weren't any clear candidates either after Vito left. In saying that, Vito would have been 32 at last years' RWC. A younger 8 needed to be found. Hansen seemed to fart around trying a heap of guys at 6 but not 8.
If only there had been a young guy who had been killing it in Super rugby over multiple seasons, playing for someone like the Blues, who could have been selected and given some support to iron out any small issues in their game/preparation.
Even better if that guy already had a brother in the team.That might have been handy.
Yes, certainly advantageous to have a brother in the team. And the more, the merrier. Adam Whitelock also could or should have been a stud had he only been given an opportunity alongside Sam, Luke and George, and supported the shit out of.
If only Akira was a Whitelock or a Barrett.
Not another thread hi-jacked...
Hasn't Akira already admitted he wasn't in the correct mental space unless Hansen gets the blame for that as well?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the AB coaches giving him shit publicly via the media contributed to that mental space he got to. Could have been a completely different story if they had given him less stick and more carrot like they seemed to do with every other player. They also seemed pretty keen on squire even after he pulled himself out for “mental space” issues.
Is Tana part of the problem too? Because he wasn’t selecting him to start as well.
Huh? Akira has been an automatic starting pick for the Blues at 8 up until Sotutu's arrival this year ... it has been mentioned many times that the Blues coaches probably played him too much.
I'd probably have had mental health issues in 2018 if I was him in the form he was in and saw Luke Whitelock and Evans getting test starts and I wasn't.
