Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11
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@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Ok late to the party, here we go...
Frizzel, looked like he was finally going to step up in the first 15 mins, then faded pretty badly and became a background player.
Taylor - what happened to the guy that came in and replaced Coles and didn't miss a beat with being an attacking game changer?
Ofa - definitely needs to pick his moments better but was a shining light in our tight 5 physicality.
Tuipulotu - what happened to the barnstorming blues player? Melted into the background much like Frizzel.
Whitelock - surprised to see him getting grief, ball in hand he actually made a couple of really good runs into the defence, unfortunately it's offset by the amount of times (like the rest of the forwards) he gets the ball standing still 5m behind the gain line and has no chance. What the fuck is up with this pattern?
Savea - didn't look himself at all, is he injured? Getting dragged back by the opposition 9 who's probably the smallest in the oppo isn't exactly a good look for an 8.
Smith - again looked off his game, 80% of his game was there, but surprisingly lacked accuracy in his passing and decision making, especially early.
Mounga looked like a debutant out of his depth.
Goodhue - similar type of game to Whitelock, the rest has been said - he's a great centre and defender.
Roane - thought he had an excellent game for a debut centre, then he goes and fucks up that try, illustrating that uncontrollable ego that irks so many of us. Surely he could eat some humble pie by now?
DMac - about a hundred times better than any other footy he's played this year, but another one having that covered up by deadly errors.
Clarke - surely he's starting next match?
Sotutu - surely he's starting next match?
All in all, just so many fuck ups from a team that used to pride itself on accuracy.
The worst thing for me - it all played out exactly how many would have predicted from the dire team selected. How the fuck can average Joe see this shit and Foster can't. What is he making his decision on that we don't know?
Highlight - Smith's try was a gorgeous bit of salt in the wounds and if we'd won it would have made a great highlight vid paired up with the Wallas go at the same move. Especially if someone else hadn't acted the fucktard and could score a try like the Wallabies debut winger.
Smith
Beauden
Clarke
ALB
Goodhue
Reece
JordiePerenara
Mounga
Roane.Jesus.......poor Bridge isn't even worth a mention.....
I have a memory of Nisbo going "beats his opposite number" and me smirking if that counts?
@booboo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@MN5 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Ok late to the party, here we go...
Frizzel, looked like he was finally going to step up in the first 15 mins, then faded pretty badly and became a background player.
Taylor - what happened to the guy that came in and replaced Coles and didn't miss a beat with being an attacking game changer?
Ofa - definitely needs to pick his moments better but was a shining light in our tight 5 physicality.
Tuipulotu - what happened to the barnstorming blues player? Melted into the background much like Frizzel.
Whitelock - surprised to see him getting grief, ball in hand he actually made a couple of really good runs into the defence, unfortunately it's offset by the amount of times (like the rest of the forwards) he gets the ball standing still 5m behind the gain line and has no chance. What the fuck is up with this pattern?
Savea - didn't look himself at all, is he injured? Getting dragged back by the opposition 9 who's probably the smallest in the oppo isn't exactly a good look for an 8.
Smith - again looked off his game, 80% of his game was there, but surprisingly lacked accuracy in his passing and decision making, especially early.
Mounga looked like a debutant out of his depth.
Goodhue - similar type of game to Whitelock, the rest has been said - he's a great centre and defender.
Roane - thought he had an excellent game for a debut centre, then he goes and fucks up that try, illustrating that uncontrollable ego that irks so many of us. Surely he could eat some humble pie by now?
DMac - about a hundred times better than any other footy he's played this year, but another one having that covered up by deadly errors.
Clarke - surely he's starting next match?
Sotutu - surely he's starting next match?
All in all, just so many fuck ups from a team that used to pride itself on accuracy.
The worst thing for me - it all played out exactly how many would have predicted from the dire team selected. How the fuck can average Joe see this shit and Foster can't. What is he making his decision on that we don't know?
Highlight - Smith's try was a gorgeous bit of salt in the wounds and if we'd won it would have made a great highlight vid paired up with the Wallas go at the same move. Especially if someone else hadn't acted the fucktard and could score a try like the Wallabies debut winger.
Smith
Beauden
Clarke
ALB
Goodhue
Reece
JordiePerenara
Mounga
Roane.Jesus.......poor Bridge isn't even worth a mention.....
Who?
harsh and fair
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DC only kicked 8 DGs in his career, but I’ll bet that if he or Cruden we’re playing we’d have taken a shot.
In fact, even though Richie is the GOAT, the player we miss most is DC. You can’t be a WC national team without a first five that competes for the title of world’s best.
The other problem is that Mo’unga is taking a while to get established - by this time the recent greats (DC, Mehrts, Spencer) had already shown enough for it to be pretty certain that they were worth the investment (it’s two years since he’s been in the team, it was his 18th test and 11th start). I’m hoping that he’ll use this game in the same way that both Cruden and Slade bounced back from early shit tests.
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Bridge - look I thought he actually performed adequately - if Clarke hadn't come on I wouldn't have had a huge problem with his game. But the difference was stark. I think he probably still has a place, but maybe more against teams like the Boks or Ireland.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Bridge - look I thought he actually performed adequately - if Clarke hadn't come on I wouldn't have had a huge problem with his game. But the difference was stark. I think he probably still has a place, but maybe more against teams like the Boks or Ireland.
See that's my problem with him. He's adequate.
Whereas our other left wing options are Clarke and Roane. Neither of which are merely "adequate".
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@booboo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Bridge - look I thought he actually performed adequately - if Clarke hadn't come on I wouldn't have had a huge problem with his game. But the difference was stark. I think he probably still has a place, but maybe more against teams like the Boks or Ireland.
See that's my problem with him. He's adequate.
Whereas our other left wing options are Clarke and Roane. Neither of which are merely "adequate".
Even Laumape looks hand out wide on the left...ask Beauds.
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@gt12 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
DC only kicked 8 DGs in his career, but I’ll bet that if he or Cruden we’re playing we’d have taken a shot.
In fact, even though Richie is the GOAT, the player we miss most is DC. You can’t be a WC national team without a first five that competes for the title of world’s best.
The other problem is that Mo’unga is taking a while to get established - by this time the recent greats (DC, Mehrts, Spencer) had already shown enough for it to be pretty certain that they were worth the investment (it’s two years since he’s been in the team, it was his 18th test and 11th start). I’m hoping that he’ll use this game in the same way that both Cruden and Slade bounced back from early shit tests.
I agree. Richie had a poor game. Made a couple of things happen to get us down field (Ioane non-try and the late flurry), but he needs to improve.
On Cruden, 1 drop goal in 50 tests.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@gt12 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
DC only kicked 8 DGs in his career, but I’ll bet that if he or Cruden we’re playing we’d have taken a shot.
In fact, even though Richie is the GOAT, the player we miss most is DC. You can’t be a WC national team without a first five that competes for the title of world’s best.
The other problem is that Mo’unga is taking a while to get established - by this time the recent greats (DC, Mehrts, Spencer) had already shown enough for it to be pretty certain that they were worth the investment (it’s two years since he’s been in the team, it was his 18th test and 11th start). I’m hoping that he’ll use this game in the same way that both Cruden and Slade bounced back from early shit tests.
I agree. Richie had a poor game. Made a couple of things happen to get us down field (Ioane non-try and the late flurry), but he needs to improve.
On Cruden, 1 drop goal in 50 tests.
But oh so good.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
For Bridge to be effective he needs to make up the difference with his high work rate, kick chase and strong defence. None of this was apparent on the weekend so you aren't left with very much.
Yeah spot on - he needs to be contesting every kick and winning most, not standing off watching or knocking it on when he does attempt.
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@booboo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@gt12 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
DC only kicked 8 DGs in his career, but I’ll bet that if he or Cruden we’re playing we’d have taken a shot.
In fact, even though Richie is the GOAT, the player we miss most is DC. You can’t be a WC national team without a first five that competes for the title of world’s best.
The other problem is that Mo’unga is taking a while to get established - by this time the recent greats (DC, Mehrts, Spencer) had already shown enough for it to be pretty certain that they were worth the investment (it’s two years since he’s been in the team, it was his 18th test and 11th start). I’m hoping that he’ll use this game in the same way that both Cruden and Slade bounced back from early shit tests.
I agree. Richie had a poor game. Made a couple of things happen to get us down field (Ioane non-try and the late flurry), but he needs to improve.
On Cruden, 1 drop goal in 50 tests.
But oh so good.
His opposite kicked one in that game too.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@booboo said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@gt12 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
DC only kicked 8 DGs in his career, but I’ll bet that if he or Cruden we’re playing we’d have taken a shot.
In fact, even though Richie is the GOAT, the player we miss most is DC. You can’t be a WC national team without a first five that competes for the title of world’s best.
The other problem is that Mo’unga is taking a while to get established - by this time the recent greats (DC, Mehrts, Spencer) had already shown enough for it to be pretty certain that they were worth the investment (it’s two years since he’s been in the team, it was his 18th test and 11th start). I’m hoping that he’ll use this game in the same way that both Cruden and Slade bounced back from early shit tests.
I agree. Richie had a poor game. Made a couple of things happen to get us down field (Ioane non-try and the late flurry), but he needs to improve.
On Cruden, 1 drop goal in 50 tests.
But oh so good.
His opposite kicked one in that game too.
Losing effort though.
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@booboo if ever there was an armchair ride for a 1st 5, that semi was it 😉
One of the dominant forward performances from an AB pack.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Frizzel, looked like he was finally going to step up in the first 15 mins, then faded pretty badly and became a background player.
In the first half, I thought Frizzel was the pick of our loosies in the first half with Cane coming into his own in the second half but it reminded me of another point.
I noticed Ardie/Frizzel and Reiko/Bridges getting in each others way a few times in defence - if it had just been Reiko/Bridges I would have shrugged and shook my head but with Ardie he was moving back and forth between Frizzels left and right side by going around Frizzel rather than the two of them choosing a side and moving left or right to cover the space.
Almost like they hadn't practiced playing together. I realise that is being harsh and very unlikely but it wasn't inspiring.
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@Bones said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
Ok late to the party, here we go...
Frizzel, looked like he was finally going to step up in the first 15 mins, then faded pretty badly and became a background player.
Taylor - what happened to the guy that came in and replaced Coles and didn't miss a beat with being an attacking game changer?
Ofa - definitely needs to pick his moments better but was a shining light in our tight 5 physicality.
Tuipulotu - what happened to the barnstorming blues player? Melted into the background much like Frizzel.
Whitelock - surprised to see him getting grief, ball in hand he actually made a couple of really good runs into the defence, unfortunately it's offset by the amount of times (like the rest of the forwards) he gets the ball standing still 5m behind the gain line and has no chance. What the fuck is up with this pattern?
Savea - didn't look himself at all, is he injured? Getting dragged back by the opposition 9 who's probably the smallest in the oppo isn't exactly a good look for an 8.
Smith - again looked off his game, 80% of his game was there, but surprisingly lacked accuracy in his passing and decision making, especially early.
Mounga looked like a debutant out of his depth.
Goodhue - similar type of game to Whitelock, the rest has been said - he's a great centre and defender.
Roane - thought he had an excellent game for a debut centre, then he goes and fucks up that try, illustrating that uncontrollable ego that irks so many of us. Surely he could eat some humble pie by now?
DMac - about a hundred times better than any other footy he's played this year, but another one having that covered up by deadly errors.
Clarke - surely he's starting next match?
Sotutu - surely he's starting next match?
All in all, just so many fuck ups from a team that used to pride itself on accuracy.
The worst thing for me - it all played out exactly how many would have predicted from the dire team selected. How the fuck can average Joe see this shit and Foster can't. What is he making his decision on that we don't know?
Highlight - Smith's try was a gorgeous bit of salt in the wounds and if we'd won it would have made a great highlight vid paired up with the Wallas go at the same move. Especially if someone else hadn't acted the fucktard and could score a try like the Wallabies debut winger.
Smith
Beauden
Clarke
ALB
Goodhue
Reece
JordiePerenara
Mounga
Roane.I agree totally with your comments. Just one point : Ofa T misses a lot of tackles, just because he is tempted to mark his opponent physically. Moody does not miss tackles but his aren't dominant. So what is the better option ? Stay static and let your opponent gain momentum, or try to make an offensive tackle with the risk of missing it ?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@booboo if ever there was an armchair ride for a 1st 5, that semi was it 😉
One of the dominant forward performances from and AB pack.
Very true.
Can we have that back again please...
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@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@canefan said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@junior said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@chimoaus said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@ACT-Crusader He basically walks up to the ruck, puts his hand on top of the wallaby then casually walks away. The next drive the ruck is directly under the posts. Its at this stage he should be demanding the ball to throw it over. WTF is he even doing at the ruck. The rest of the backline are out waiting.
That last shot of the 4 (bottom right) is quite telling - look at the space behind the ruck, right in front of the posts, basically the perfect spot for him to casually knock it over.
Like our failure in 2007 it has to be a failure of the onfield leadership group, its not up to Richie to call his own number
I don't disagree that there needs to be some collective accountability. However, by the same token, if your 10 does not have the nous or courage to make the big call in that situation, and more importantly put himself in a position to be the match winner, you have to wonder whether he has the temperament for test footy.
Rubbish! RM was in position for the droppie more than once. TJP needs to take the heat for not directing the play and giving the pass to RM for the DG attempt.
This is the exact same situation as against SA in 2018/2019 where we were camped 5m out and instead of BB or Dmac setting for a DG they tried to go for the try and Dmac dropped it cold.
NZRU definitely got the continuity they wanted when they hired Fozzie. Unfortunately it is a continuation of shit performances and brainless rugby.
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@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
For Bridge to be effective he needs to make up the difference with his high work rate, kick chase and strong defence. None of this was apparent on the weekend so you aren't left with very much.
Agreed, but I don’t think we have the game plan for it (now at least). Our game isn’t built kick chasing or enough workload as we don’t have ball enough, so when we do have it, we need our wingers to be strike weapons. Plus, as we live without the ball, they have to be safe under the high ball. The only player currently going around who meets those needs is Clarke. Probably, we’d also be better if we put Beauden on the other wing and turned him into the next Ben Smith, and then had Jordie at the back.
I say that because Ioane didn’t pass to Jordie the other day because I’m sure he knows that Jordie is a bit of carthorse - was Beauden there, that ball goes and we’d have put them in massive trouble.
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@gt12 said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
@KiwiMurph said in Bledisloe One: Wellington, October 11:
For Bridge to be effective he needs to make up the difference with his high work rate, kick chase and strong defence. None of this was apparent on the weekend so you aren't left with very much.
Agreed, but I don’t think we have the game plan for it (now at least). Our game isn’t built kick chasing or enough workload as we don’t have ball enough, so when we do have it, we need our wingers to be strike weapons. Plus, as we live without the ball, they have to be safe under the high ball. The only player currently going around who meets those needs is Clarke. Probably, we’d also be better if we put Beauden on the other wing and turned him into the next Ben Smith, and then had Jordie at the back.
I say that because Ioane didn’t pass to Jordie the other day because I’m sure he knows that Jordie is a bit of carthorse - was Beauden there, that ball goes and we’d have put them in massive trouble
Eh? If that’s the case then Ioane should be dropped if he can’t trust his team mate to catch and run.
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Maybe he should because it was greedy as fuck, but why he didn’t pass it is a mystery. I’m just guessing.
My point stands though - Beauden has the pace to play wing. Jordie, I’m not convinced.
