A Global Season?
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TV3 news saying that the likely new format will be as I describe above.
Super Rugby
Rugby Championship
All Blacks home series (October)
Northern Tour (November)That's going to be one hell of a test workload for the ABs and other SH nations, more than even a RWC, with 3-4 months of test matches and travel as part of that. Rob Nicol is rightly concerned about player welfare.
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@Bovidae said in A Global Season?:
TV3 news saying that the likely new format will be as I describe above.
Super Rugby
Rugby Championship
All Blacks home series (October)
Northern Tour (November)That's going to be one hell of a test workload for the ABs and other SH nations, more than even a RWC, with 3-4 months of test matches and travel as part of that. Rob Nicol is rightly concerned about player welfare.
How is this any better for us than what happens right now? Surely any Nations League could be achieved whatever the calendar looks like. People have harped on about a global season for years but I have not seen one proposal that is better than the status quo in terms of season structure. Maybe some other structures will make us more money?
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@Bovidae said in A Global Season?:
TV3 news saying that the likely new format will be as I describe above.
Super Rugby
Rugby Championship
All Blacks home series (October)
Northern Tour (November)That's going to be one hell of a test workload for the ABs and other SH nations, more than even a RWC, with 3-4 months of test matches and travel as part of that. Rob Nicol is rightly concerned about player welfare.
That's ridiculous. What muppet thinks that is sustainable?
I'm with Rob - tours make more sense and would be awesome for fans.
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It's the same as now.
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@nzzp It is not logical to move the RC forward to March/April to align with a delayed 6N (if that indeed happens). SANZAAR want to have an uninterrupted SR competition so why would they agree to playing tests in the middle of that? Not to mention having to select a test squad before your own competition has even reached the halfway point.
The story about the new global rugby season seems to be changing every week, and, as usual, there will be a compromise that neither hemisphere completely likes. Removing the June/July international window avoids an overlap with club finals in the NH, often resulting in understrength teams touring south.
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@Bovidae said in A Global Season?:
@nzzp It is not logical to move the RC forward to March/April to align with a delayed 6N (if that indeed happens).
I know. But why move the 6N if we don't move the RC and create a proper 'window'?
So much scuttlebut running around at the moment on this, hopefully there is some progress that makes sense at the end. Splitting competitions is a bit suck, and no good for rugby
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@nzzp said in A Global Season?:
@nzzp It is not logical to move the RC forward to March/April to align with a delayed 6N (if that indeed happens).
I know. But why move the 6N if we don't move the RC and create a proper 'window'?
So much scuttlebut running around at the moment on this, hopefully there is some progress that makes sense at the end. Splitting competitions is a bit suck, and no good for rugbyIdeally you would run both INternational comps around the same time, so that when the tours happen, both Hemispeheres are at the same point (in good form, not at the end of a long season blah blah blah)
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@nzzp said in A Global Season?:
@Bovidae really? Why move the 6N then, if not to align with when matches get played in the SH? All that's really happening in that scenario is June windows go to October
At least by the time the October test matches roll around, everyone will be equally knackered
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@Bovidae said in A Global Season?:
@nzzp It is not logical to move the RC forward to March/April to align with a delayed 6N (if that indeed happens). SANZAAR want to have an uninterrupted SR competition so why would they agree to playing tests in the middle of that? Not to mention having to select a test squad before your own competition has even reached the halfway point.
The story about the new global rugby season seems to be changing every week, and, as usual, there will be a compromise that neither hemisphere completely likes. Removing the June/July international window avoids an overlap with club finals in the NH, often resulting in understrength teams touring south.
I don't mind the logic of an international "season" of 3 or so months where the major international tournaments and tours are played. It makes much more sense than what we have now of 3 test windows.
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I'll put it here, a quasi world cup. So a bit of cash and the chance for foster to win it, or fuck off? I'm in!
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@Machpants in UK and Ireland in a years time? Fucken eh! There's my summer holiday plans.
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@Machpants Call me a cynic, but I suspect those unions that have their own stadiums might have rather large costs to host the event...
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@antipodean said in A Global Season?:
@Machpants Call me a cynic, but I suspect those unions that have their own stadiums might have rather large costs to host the event...
Even if they do, the money a large UK stadium makes off a tier 1 game, even split in half after a large bit taken out, is still a fuckload more than we make here. Thus those 'extra' tour matches, ABs get millions each one.
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@Machpants yeah the only thing I'm cynical about on this is international travel to here being a thing.
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Aye, there's the rub
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@Machpants said in A Global Season?:
I'll put it here, a quasi world cup. So a bit of cash and the chance for foster to win it, or fuck off? I'm in!
It'd be awesome - but I'd take it as a knockout style cup, a bit different, four rounds: 16, 8, 4, FINAL. Can play a plate/bowl comp as well at the same time, to keep the eyeballs up. Would give 13 'live' games, plus a bunch of second tier games, and all done in a month.
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Really like the idea of a knockout tournament. Seems like a great idea to secure funding for the future of international and domestic rugby. Of course this means that World Rugby has immediately ruled it out ... Time to dump them.
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Of course this means that World Rugby has immediately ruled it out
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A tournament for purely revenue reasons.
Seeing as RWC year is the worst year, financially, for the Tier 1 nations. As SH don't host June tours and NH don't host November tours - I'd be interested in seeing the proposed $500m. And how it balances against a 'normal' season.
$500m / 16 = $31m each for the 16 participants. Although we all know it wouldn't be distributed evenly, and would the 17th non-participating nation get zero?
Could be Great for a Tonga.
Would it be good for a Sanzar nation like NZ to sacrifice an entire home season, or 6 weeks of their home season - how much is that worth? What happens in November.
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@Rapido said in A Global Season?:
Would it be good for a Sanzar nation like NZ to sacrifice an entire home season, or 6 weeks of their home season - how much is that worth? What happens in November.
Why don't we have both? a 4 week tourney allows us and NH to have a home season, as well as this in the middle. A knockout would be 4 games, and worth shedloads to the broadcasters.
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The other point to consider is that the B&I Lions tour to SA next year would have to be postponed to accommodate this. Would we be happy to do that if it was NZ's turn for the tour?
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McGeechan's thoughts.
We (the SH) have been trying to avoid interruptions in Super Rugby but this is worse than the current situation as Super rugby and M10 Cup are two distinct competitions with different players.
What a unified calendar might look like Late January: All domestic leagues begin March-April: First international window: Six Nations, Rugby Championship May: Domestic leagues resume Mid-July-August: First rest period for everyone, six weeks September: Domestic leagues resume October-November: Second international window: North v South tours, tier one and tier two included, plus World Cup and Lions tour every other year November-December: Domestic leagues finish Christmas Club World Challenge: winners of domestic leagues meet in play-offs to determine "world champion" - proceeds to be shared by pro game in both hemispheres.
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@Bovidae Has McGeechan been to the SH in December - late January? What a stupid suggestion.
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@antipodean McGeechan is Scottish so doesn't know what summer is.
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@Bovidae said in A Global Season?:
@antipodean McGeechan is Scottish so doesn't know what summer is.
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@canefan said in A Global Season?:
@Bovidae said in A Global Season?:
@antipodean McGeechan is Scottish so doesn't know what summer is.
Those are indoor temperatures with the gas heaters on.
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I spent 4 awesome years in St Andrews, which has got some beautiful golden sand beaches. So funny to watch gleeful kids run in their togs in the summer hols... then run out seconds later screaming in cold agony. I don't think I went beyond ankle depth for those years
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@canefan said in A Global Season?:
@Bovidae said in A Global Season?:
@antipodean McGeechan is Scottish so doesn't know what summer is.
That's not warm, chief.
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@junior said in A Global Season?:
@canefan said in A Global Season?:
@Bovidae said in A Global Season?:
@antipodean McGeechan is Scottish so doesn't know what summer is.
That's not warm, chief.
Agreed!
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@Bovidae said in A Global Season?:
McGeechan's thoughts.
We (the SH) have been trying to avoid interruptions in Super Rugby but this is worse than the current situation as Super rugby and M10 Cup are two distinct competitions with different players.
What a unified calendar might look like Late January: All domestic leagues begin March-April: First international window: Six Nations, Rugby Championship May: Domestic leagues resume Mid-July-August: First rest period for everyone, six weeks September: Domestic leagues resume October-November: Second international window: North v South tours, tier one and tier two included, plus World Cup and Lions tour every other year November-December: Domestic leagues finish Christmas Club World Challenge: winners of domestic leagues meet in play-offs to determine "world champion" - proceeds to be shared by pro game in both hemispheres.
I don't think there are easy solutions to this without breaking up the domestic comps, or radically changing the timing of the international windows.
This has the advantage of at least providing clear international windows for all levels of international rugby to play. Would be 2 months, twice a year with loads of games on each weekend, free from the club/country issues. Of course, it dis-incentivise clubs to have internationals, as they will come back a bit jaded compared to the domestic players who just keep training fit through the break.
So, I don't like it. But I think I probably like it slightly more than the status quo. I don't like two short offseasons, but again that ship has sailed I suspect.
Sky losing the Cricket means they will strongly overlap the cricket season too, which I always felt bad about.
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@nzzp said in A Global Season?:
. Of course, it dis-incentivise clubs to have internationals, as they will come back a bit jaded compared to the domestic players who just keep training fit through the break.
It is less of a disincentive than not having those players during the international games, like it currently is
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@Machpants said in A Global Season?:
@nzzp said in A Global Season?:
. Of course, it dis-incentivise clubs to have internationals, as they will come back a bit jaded compared to the domestic players who just keep training fit through the break.
It is less of a disincentive than not having those players during the international games, like it currently is
'not having' or 'leaning on the international fringe players to not be eligible'.
I think that this is really good for the strength of international rugby - leaves decent windows for selecting players from all over the world, with travel time etc. Could de-power domestic leagues though (well, NZ and Aus are probably the only two left who won't select overseas players)
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@nzzp said in A Global Season?:
So, I don't like it. But I think I probably like it slightly more than the status quo. I don't like two short offseasons, but again that ship has sailed I suspect.
I think we all acknowledge that there will need to be compromise between the hemispheres to make this work. My problem is that McGeechan's proposal is based on the European club season, which is very different to what happens south of the equator at present.
If, for example, SR finishes before the July/August rest period, any AB player won't be playing at all until the next international window in October unless they participate initially in the M10 Cup. Great if they are, but unlikely. Then you stop a domestic competition for an international window in October/November when those (semi-professional) NPC players wouldn't be involved in that anyway. I don't think there is an easy solution and from a NZ perspective it will depend on how important the M10 Cup is to NZR.
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Looking at Geech’s, we could have M10 before first window, late summer. ABs picked off previous years work, can play some M10 games if necessary, otherwise a decent camp for ABs to start the year, maybe a prob vs poss game or two >Rugby Champs>SR into the rest because we rest/camp leading upto >Oct Nov tours
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@Machpants yeah,
wonder even if we just do Super after the RC in March/April. So it runs May, June, July, August (skip the rest), and then 6 weeks before teh October Test window opens.
Split out the M10 cup as a proper semipro/amateur comp, and run it late August/Sept and finish early October. I guess Club then runs May-July in parallel with Super.
This would give a big offseason (December-Feb), but has the disadvantage of All Blacks coming into both windows without meaningful competition for a month or three.
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@Machpants And club rugby? Most M10 Cup squads are picked from that player pool. I think the club season would need to run at the same time as SR in the future.
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@Bovidae said in A Global Season?:
@Machpants And club rugby? Most M10 Cup squads are picked from that player pool. I think the club season would need to run at the same time as SR in the future.
yeah good point...
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