2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA
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@pakman didnt really need to engage with him on this decision as on field decision was try so they were already on his side, so to speak.
I think this was trying too hard to find insult. AWJ had a few seconds longer with the ref before he walked away.
Kolisi is one of the most respected players in the game so it seems to be nitpicking and trying to find something to complain about
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@dagrubster said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@pakman didnt really need to engage with him on this decision as on field decision was try so they were already on his side, so to speak.
I think this was trying too hard to find insult. AWJ had a few seconds longer with the ref before he walked away.
Kolisi is one of the most respected players in the game so it seems to be nitpicking and trying to find something to complain about
On that occasion I’d agree, but seemed to be the fact that AWJ was better at getting into pole position.
History now, and less than 48 hours till the next instalment…
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@machpants said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
I hope World Rugby fine the fuck out of him and give him a lengthy ban for bringing the game into disrepute - dsgusting
All of this. It'll feed into his victim narrative, and he won't care if it helps sway the 2nd test their way, but needs to be done anyway.
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@gibbonrib said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@machpants said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
I hope World Rugby fine the fuck out of him and give him a lengthy ban for bringing the game into disrepute - dsgusting
All of this. It'll feed into his victim narrative, and he won't care if it helps sway the 2nd test their way, but needs to be done anyway.
Yeah they need to make a stand that it is not OK in rugby. We are getting enough sccerism in as it is (diving, waving hands, whining at the ref on field) but having a some one of so high standing to take the time to do afucking hour long 'my pussy hurts' video is disgusting. As mentioned above you could do the same thing from the Lions perspective. Or about any game.
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The complex rules and pressures on the officials are the real issue. Coaches must be tearing their hair out with such high stakes. Not good form from Rassie but I sympathise with where he is coming from and the shoes he fills. Yes you could demonstrate 20 wrong calls against you if you look hard enough at the video in most matches. But it runs both ways. It is just a game after all.....
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So I have been thinking more about the video.
I am by my nature sympathetic to Erasmus, because a) I am South African, b) I whinge about refereeing generally and c) I think the calls in this game did in fact influence the course of the game. But I just can't get behind him on this one and the reason is not because it's a bad look to be whinging about refereeing, but because the execution was so incredibly poor.
What appears to have happened in this case is that Berry had pre-match meetings with the teams where he said he'll focus on certain things. The Springboks felt he moved away from the guidance he gave before the game.
During the game the reffing group also made certain calls (which is their job) which the Springboks were unhappy with.
It appears that the Springbok team reached out the reffing group after the game to try and get clarity. Erasmus wanted to have that meeting on Sunday, but the refs only responded Tuesday (I have no idea what the normal process is).
I am speculating that the Tuesday meeting did not go well and that Erasmus made the video in response to that meeting.
My problem with this whole affair is that video is so poorly constructed that it not 100% clear what Erasmus is trying to say.
It would have been far simpler to make a comment in the press that the feedback from the refs and world rugby was unsatisfactory and then to leak the examples to the press.
This has been an incredibly difficult tour for all involved and it has been hard to keep the enthusiasm going with Covid disruptions and empty statuims. The lions and their media have been pretty good on this tour (compared to say 2009 where it was a six weeks of negativity and spite). This whole thing is just embarrassing, too negative at a time that South African rugby really doesn't need it.
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I just can't believe that Berry is considered good enough to get a Lions' Test.
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@antipodean said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
I just can't believe that Berry is considered good enough to get a Lions' Test.
At least he's not French
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@machpants said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@antipodean said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
I just can't believe that Berry is considered good enough to get a Lions' Test.
At least he's not French
I’d take Marcel Marceau over Berry
You’d have more clarity
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@antipodean said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
I just can't believe that Berry is considered good enough to get a Lions' Test.
The irony is that TMO was good overall, but Berry was poor in H2. Kudos to Lions for making him think he was seeing legal breakdown play.
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TMO wasn’t great. No post match sanction for Watson either AFAIK…. Nor the other twin BIL player leg lift/head dump in just 2 of 26 potentially penalisable offenses highlighted in the “leaked” video ostensibly addressed to Joel and his reffing overlord panel. And we are without Ox for 2nd match thx to a flanker illegally binding mid scrum and twisting him…. And he was looking very good…
Siya issue and crappy assistant referee issues aside….I know it’s a tough thankless job in the middle. We all have complained about refs. Maybe aligned that with nationalities too to take broad swipes after a few beers… BUT they are HUMAN…. They love the game too make no mistake… Good luck Ben… gonna be a cauldron…Hope it doesn’t become a penalty fest …
Completely a given that breakdown and offside has been far from “sorted” for like…ummm..forever ….but advantage time granted by refs should be reffed equally. Example highlighted by Rassie was possibly the straw that broke …it was just an inexplicable difference….
So combined with lack of response from Berry on Sunday, an injured player, 2 more very lucky ones from head dumps and no word of any potentially impending sanction, the loss…by Tuesday Rassie says fukkit… The flicking off of the marker cap at the end was calculated I’m sure, after a pretty heartfelt and impassioned “rant” He may have done the game good in my opinion. BIL potential players get the gap every 4 years. Rest 12…This does count. And EVERYBODY needs for there not to be THAT level of error. Especially when surely SOME of it was blatant to AT LEAST ONE of the reffing team…. -
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@catogrande rehab 😉
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@luigi said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Joe Marler’s take on Razzie’s long dark teatime of the soul.
He should be good value on the after dinner circuit. That's a very good read. Thanks for providing that.
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I think this reply to a post about the dour game by an ex-RAF mate encompasses how shit this tour has been, from a rugby perspective, both on and off field. The poster is SA heritage, born in the UK tho. So supports Saracens, and England - but the Boks if it is not England.
Agree Kiwi. The desire not to lose has sapped any joy out of the whole thing! Not convinced Gatland really ever had a "masterplan" for beating the Boks, just game to game......almost feels like a testimonial! The Boks seem to have made a aggression the tactic almost to the point of intent to harm. Overall, all feels a bit sad to me; sad for the players, sad for the fans, sad for the game!
It really has been a utterly crap advert for rugby, with far more innovation off the field than on - of the tests there is more talk about the shit Rassie got up to, and citings/cards or lack of
