RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A)
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@rotated said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Massively inconvinient from a QF perspective. No doubts we can beat Ireland, but winning three big games in a row is different than two. The draw just may have opened up for the Boks 2007 style.
Yeah - I'd imagine the only people more delighted than the Jaapies will be the Japanese. I doubt England will mind it much either.
Shit result for Scotland, Ireland and us.
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@Bones said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@pukunui Exactly. People tend to foolishly underrate or overrate a team based on one performance. If we played Ireland in the quarter final, there's no guarantees that we will won it.
I don't see it as being one game, not very genuine to say that. Ireland have been on the decline all year.
Yeah, that's true. But, a bit like the Wobs in 2003, I'm sure they've got one more big performance in them.
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?
Absolutely. Not sure why some are so happy with this result.
Are you really concerned after seeing that?
I wasn’t concerned after seeing Argentine beat France in 2007...
As we know France are the great enigma when it comes to world cups.
Ireland’s 4th loss this year and their work at the ruck has been exposed (again).
That's all true, but I think they'll have nothing to lose against us, will know that their game plan works against us and, therefore, be 1000 time more committed and tenacious than they were today. On top of that, we'll need to just as - if not more - disciplined than the excellent japanese were. We'll need to be great at the set pieces and under the high ball. Also, unlike Japan, we will not have all of world rugby behind us and what 50/50 refereeing calls are made are, therefore, less likely to be made in our favour.
In short, it's gonna a hell of a tough test match for us
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@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Kirwan said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?
Absolutely. Not sure why some are so happy with this result.
Are you really concerned after seeing that?
How can the Irish believe they can beat the All Blacks or the Boks when they can’t beat Japan? They aren’t French, who can shake a result off like that, their team is mentally farked now.
I think they're farked if they play the Boks, but they know they have the right plan to beat us - all they have to do is lay it all on the line and execute. Either way, they're not winning it from here. As I said, they won't beat the Boks and, even if they do beat us (which they may very well do), they won't be able to get up again for England in the semi.
Do they? We aren’t playing the same way we did when they got us in Dublin. Plus all the pressure of never making a semi will play on them.
Bring it on.
I think they do - it's not dissimilar to what the Boks have done successfully against us in the past 2 years. It didn't work last week, but that doesn't mean that it no longer works. Also, there remain questions about Reece's and Bridge's ability under the high ball, which is a key part of Ireland's game plan. Set piece is also an area where they can shade us.
The issue with Ireland is that all of the areas where we are comparatively weak, they are very strong - that's why a QF against them is a massive risk for us.
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@junior but our game has moved on. We will continue to ramp up the speed of play which stretched SA to breaking point. Doesn't mean they can't beat us but nothing Ireland have shown of late signals it imo.
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@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Kirwan said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?
Absolutely. Not sure why some are so happy with this result.
Are you really concerned after seeing that?
How can the Irish believe they can beat the All Blacks or the Boks when they can’t beat Japan? They aren’t French, who can shake a result off like that, their team is mentally farked now.
I think they're farked if they play the Boks, but they know they have the right plan to beat us - all they have to do is lay it all on the line and execute. Either way, they're not winning it from here. As I said, they won't beat the Boks and, even if they do beat us (which they may very well do), they won't be able to get up again for England in the semi.
Do they? We aren’t playing the same way we did when they got us in Dublin. Plus all the pressure of never making a semi will play on them.
Bring it on.
I think they do - it's not dissimilar to what the Boks have done successfully against us in the past 2 years. It didn't work last week, but that doesn't mean that it no longer works. Also, there remain questions about Reece's and Bridge's ability under the high ball, which is a key part of Ireland's game plan. Set piece is also an area where they can shade us.
The issue with Ireland is that all of the areas where we are comparatively weak, they are very strong - that's why a QF against them is a massive risk for us.
Perhaps you could explain the strengths of their game and the weaknesses of ours with reference to our mutual last few tests.
This wasn't the squeaky bum test every champion has on their way to winning the pot, this was a loss to Japan.
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@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Kirwan said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?
Absolutely. Not sure why some are so happy with this result.
Are you really concerned after seeing that?
How can the Irish believe they can beat the All Blacks or the Boks when they can’t beat Japan? They aren’t French, who can shake a result off like that, their team is mentally farked now.
I think they're farked if they play the Boks, but they know they have the right plan to beat us - all they have to do is lay it all on the line and execute. Either way, they're not winning it from here. As I said, they won't beat the Boks and, even if they do beat us (which they may very well do), they won't be able to get up again for England in the semi.
Do they? We aren’t playing the same way we did when they got us in Dublin. Plus all the pressure of never making a semi will play on them.
Bring it on.
I think they do - it's not dissimilar to what the Boks have done successfully against us in the past 2 years. It didn't work last week, but that doesn't mean that it no longer works. Also, there remain questions about Reece's and Bridge's ability under the high ball, which is a key part of Ireland's game plan. Set piece is also an area where they can shade us.
The issue with Ireland is that all of the areas where we are comparatively weak, they are very strong - that's why a QF against them is a massive risk for us.
Perhaps you could explain the strengths of their game and the weaknesses of ours with reference to our mutual last few tests.
This wasn't the squeaky bum test every champion has on their way to winning the pot, this was a loss to Japan.
I'm not saying Ireland are going to win the tourney - in fact I expressly said they wouldn't!
What I am saying is that they could still beat us, because they are a decent enough team, with a game plan that has shown itself to be quite effective against us in the recent past.
As for their relative strengths, they're obvious - scrum, line out, mauls, box kicking - indeed kicking in general - and ability under the high ball. If they beat us in all of those areas in a RWC QF, they're right in the hunt and its going to take a massive effort to beat them.
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@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Bones said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@pukunui Exactly. People tend to foolishly underrate or overrate a team based on one performance. If we played Ireland in the quarter final, there's no guarantees that we will won it.
I don't see it as being one game, not very genuine to say that. Ireland have been on the decline all year.
Yeah, that's true. But, a bit like the Wobs in 2003, I'm sure they've got one more big performance in them.
The thing about 2003 is that despite us putting 50 on them in Sydney, the game in Eden Park showed that the Wobs still had class. It was a tough match and short of the Eden Park factor I don’t think we win that match to clinch the Bledisloe.
So returning to a big game in OZ during the WC I thought would be the toughest match.
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@Paekakboyz said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior but our game has moved on. We will continue to ramp up the speed of play which stretched SA to breaking point. Doesn't mean they can't beat us but nothing Ireland have shown of late signals it imo.
How has our game evolved? The difference between last weekend and Dublin last year was they were able to finish two breakouts and play with the lead the rest of the way.
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@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Kirwan said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?
Absolutely. Not sure why some are so happy with this result.
Are you really concerned after seeing that?
How can the Irish believe they can beat the All Blacks or the Boks when they can’t beat Japan? They aren’t French, who can shake a result off like that, their team is mentally farked now.
I think they're farked if they play the Boks, but they know they have the right plan to beat us - all they have to do is lay it all on the line and execute. Either way, they're not winning it from here. As I said, they won't beat the Boks and, even if they do beat us (which they may very well do), they won't be able to get up again for England in the semi.
Do they? We aren’t playing the same way we did when they got us in Dublin. Plus all the pressure of never making a semi will play on them.
Bring it on.
I think they do - it's not dissimilar to what the Boks have done successfully against us in the past 2 years. It didn't work last week, but that doesn't mean that it no longer works. Also, there remain questions about Reece's and Bridge's ability under the high ball, which is a key part of Ireland's game plan. Set piece is also an area where they can shade us.
The issue with Ireland is that all of the areas where we are comparatively weak, they are very strong - that's why a QF against them is a massive risk for us.
Perhaps you could explain the strengths of their game and the weaknesses of ours with reference to our mutual last few tests.
This wasn't the squeaky bum test every champion has on their way to winning the pot, this was a loss to Japan.
I'm not saying Ireland are going to win the tourney - in fact I expressly said they wouldn't!
What I am saying is that they could still beat us, because they are a decent enough team, with a game plan that has shown itself to be quite effective against us in the recent past.
As for their relative strengths, they're obvious - scrum, line out, mauls, box kicking - indeed kicking in general - and ability under the high ball. If they beat us in all of those areas in a RWC QF, they're right in the hunt and its going to take a massive effort to beat them.
The key is hoovering up all of their box kicks. Aside from kicking to the corner off penalties and giving the ball to Stockdale that’s their main way of gaining territory.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Kirwan said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?
Absolutely. Not sure why some are so happy with this result.
Are you really concerned after seeing that?
How can the Irish believe they can beat the All Blacks or the Boks when they can’t beat Japan? They aren’t French, who can shake a result off like that, their team is mentally farked now.
I think they're farked if they play the Boks, but they know they have the right plan to beat us - all they have to do is lay it all on the line and execute. Either way, they're not winning it from here. As I said, they won't beat the Boks and, even if they do beat us (which they may very well do), they won't be able to get up again for England in the semi.
Do they? We aren’t playing the same way we did when they got us in Dublin. Plus all the pressure of never making a semi will play on them.
Bring it on.
I think they do - it's not dissimilar to what the Boks have done successfully against us in the past 2 years. It didn't work last week, but that doesn't mean that it no longer works. Also, there remain questions about Reece's and Bridge's ability under the high ball, which is a key part of Ireland's game plan. Set piece is also an area where they can shade us.
The issue with Ireland is that all of the areas where we are comparatively weak, they are very strong - that's why a QF against them is a massive risk for us.
Perhaps you could explain the strengths of their game and the weaknesses of ours with reference to our mutual last few tests.
This wasn't the squeaky bum test every champion has on their way to winning the pot, this was a loss to Japan.
I'm not saying Ireland are going to win the tourney - in fact I expressly said they wouldn't!
What I am saying is that they could still beat us, because they are a decent enough team, with a game plan that has shown itself to be quite effective against us in the recent past.
As for their relative strengths, they're obvious - scrum, line out, mauls, box kicking - indeed kicking in general - and ability under the high ball. If they beat us in all of those areas in a RWC QF, they're right in the hunt and its going to take a massive effort to beat them.
The key is hoovering up all of their box kicks. Aside from kicking to the corner off penalties and giving the ball to Stockdale that’s their main way of gaining territory.
Yeah and to be fair we don't have a strong body of evidence that our wingers will definitely be able to handle the inevitable barrage that will rain down upon them.
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I think Ireland is still not the ideal match up for anyone in the quarters. If we had only played Aussie once going into the RWC this year things would have looked much different.
Headlines would have been more and more about how we are underdone.
Ireland will bounce back. SA did in a big way.
Up the Nippons
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@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@junior said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Kirwan said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Isn't this result kind of bad for us and potentially good for the Boks?
Absolutely. Not sure why some are so happy with this result.
Are you really concerned after seeing that?
How can the Irish believe they can beat the All Blacks or the Boks when they can’t beat Japan? They aren’t French, who can shake a result off like that, their team is mentally farked now.
I think they're farked if they play the Boks, but they know they have the right plan to beat us - all they have to do is lay it all on the line and execute. Either way, they're not winning it from here. As I said, they won't beat the Boks and, even if they do beat us (which they may very well do), they won't be able to get up again for England in the semi.
Do they? We aren’t playing the same way we did when they got us in Dublin. Plus all the pressure of never making a semi will play on them.
Bring it on.
I think they do - it's not dissimilar to what the Boks have done successfully against us in the past 2 years. It didn't work last week, but that doesn't mean that it no longer works. Also, there remain questions about Reece's and Bridge's ability under the high ball, which is a key part of Ireland's game plan. Set piece is also an area where they can shade us.
The issue with Ireland is that all of the areas where we are comparatively weak, they are very strong - that's why a QF against them is a massive risk for us.
Perhaps you could explain the strengths of their game and the weaknesses of ours with reference to our mutual last few tests.
This wasn't the squeaky bum test every champion has on their way to winning the pot, this was a loss to Japan.
I'm not saying Ireland are going to win the tourney - in fact I expressly said they wouldn't!
What I am saying is that they could still beat us, because they are a decent enough team, with a game plan that has shown itself to be quite effective against us in the recent past.
As for their relative strengths, they're obvious - scrum, line out, mauls, box kicking - indeed kicking in general - and ability under the high ball. If they beat us in all of those areas in a RWC QF, they're right in the hunt and its going to take a massive effort to beat them.
Yes I agree that they're better than their last outing, but it signifies that they have no plan B and let's be honest: If Japan can nullify their game plan, so can we - even if rhey improve.
The big difference is what Hansen has been cleverly banging on about; we're used to that sort of pressure.
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Looking at the draw, Scotland have only a four day turnaround between playing Russia and Japan while Japan has eight days off before they play Scotland. Yikes, player management for that Russia game is crucial if Scotland are to have any chance.
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Ireland just don't have the fitness. Their legs were gone at 35 minutes, and the halftime break didn't really make as much of a difference. In the second half the Japanese 6 was making ground with just about every carry. Plus Ireland's lock just seem a bit soft
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@LABCAT said in RWC: Japan v Ireland (Pool A):
Thank you Japan!!! you have made this tournament far more exciting for me!!
I was starting to think it will be boring until the semis for NZ but if you can beat Scotland (which I believe you can) then the quarter final becomes far more exciting because there is actually a chance we can lose to Ireland.
There’s actually a chance we can beat Ireland. Which is great isn’t it.
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