RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool B)
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@Billy-Webb said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Daffy-Jaffy said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Billy-Webb said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Japanese play-book
You realise that the "Japanese play-book" is basically the NZ rugby playbook right down to schoolboy level right? I was taught as a kid 40 years ago about 'Power, Possession, Pace'.
Nope - did not know that.
If so, they do seem to do it better than you :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:Sheesh, one win over Ireland ....
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Ok all jokes aside about Rieko, there is no doubt that on current form he's not in the big match day 23.
However, I think Rieko's ceiling is much higher than that of either Bridge or Reece, and therefore he should be given much opportunity to regain confidence & form. I would do that via 60 minutes (at least) in both of the remaining pool matches, as Bridge & Reece should both get time as well.
I'm still a bit lost on Ben Smith. Arguably my biggest man crush of the last few years, but he just doesn't look as dynamic as either of the two (current) incumbents ... and its clear the Mo'ounga / Barrett combo is not going to change.
Decisions, decisions.
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@Nepia said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Billy-Webb said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Daffy-Jaffy said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Billy-Webb said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Japanese play-book
You realise that the "Japanese play-book" is basically the NZ rugby playbook right down to schoolboy level right? I was taught as a kid 40 years ago about 'Power, Possession, Pace'.
Nope - did not know that.
If so, they do seem to do it better than you :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye:Sheesh, one win over Ireland ....
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The man who masterminded the All Blacks' RWC 2015 triumph said that his team could learn a thing or two from the breathless and inventive nature of the Japanese attacking.
"We'd be very silly if we didn't because they did plenty to give us to think about," said Hansen on Monday. "Their speed of ball was great, their line speed awesome, they just kept coming, time after time after time.
"They showed a lot of courage, intent and a lot of skill, so hats off to them. It was a really great performance and one the whole of Japan should be proud of.
"We like to play fast. I don't know if we want to play that fast - or if we can play that fast. In the humidity, it certainly affected the Irish, that speed of the game."
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@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Ok all jokes aside about Rieko, there is no doubt that on current form he's not in the big match day 23.
However, I think Rieko's ceiling is much higher than that of either Bridge or Reece, and therefore he should be given much opportunity to regain confidence & form. I would do that via 60 minutes (at least) in both of the remaining pool matches, as Bridge & Reece should both get time as well.
I'm still a bit lost on Ben Smith. Arguably my biggest man crush of the last few years, but he just doesn't look as dynamic as either of the two (current) incumbents ... and its clear the Mo'ounga / Barrett combo is not going to change.
Decisions, decisions.
Hard to say, because he's played much more test rugby. They're also very different players with different skill sets. Reece may be a bit more limited, but I think Bridge has the potential to become a star like Rieko.
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@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Has anyone forced their way into the top 23 if SA Selection for game one is the top 23 ?
Todd didn't play against S Africa; he suffered a minor injury before that game and probably would have been in the 23 without the injury. So he might play in the big games (from the bench).
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@Billy-Webb I guess we might find that out in the QF's
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@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Ok all jokes aside about Rieko, there is no doubt that on current form he's not in the big match day 23.
However, I think Rieko's ceiling is much higher than that of either Bridge or Reece, and therefore he should be given much opportunity to regain confidence & form. I would do that via 60 minutes (at least) in both of the remaining pool matches, as Bridge & Reece should both get time as well.
I'm still a bit lost on Ben Smith. Arguably my biggest man crush of the last few years, but he just doesn't look as dynamic as either of the two (current) incumbents ... and its clear the Mo'ounga / Barrett combo is not going to change.
Decisions, decisions.
It's weird what's happening with Ioane eh. Have to wonder if it's something to do with the way the AB's play that he's really struggling to adjust to? He was pretty good for the Blues this season wasn't he? Same with Ben Smith - both at the moment just seem to really struggle with finding/creating space and just look lacklustre.
I'm not so sure on Ioane's ceiling being that much higher though. Some positive signs today for sure.
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Impossible to take anything from this game after 35 minutes - humidity was a greater factor than the opposition. Ever played against a team so bad that they get in the way solely because better teams shouldn't be there?
Bonus point win and no known injuries, I'll take that.
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:I thought Rieko started to show some positive signs in the second half. Something to build on.
He's still a long way behind Bridge and Reece at the moment though. They are the clear cut starters.
Agreed.
I counted a few dropped balls early on (before we really started dropping it and even then it tended to be the forwards who were sweaty) and a lot of runs that were pretty ineffective (i.e. running into defenders immediately when given some space).
Checking the stats, there's nothing too good or bad in there considering the options and I haven't seen enough of the second half yet (gaddamn work getting in the way of rugby...).
If he was hoping to prove he was back in contention against a weaker team, I think he's still at least one game away from doing that.
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Frizzle is still a bit of a "jurys out" headscratcher moment.
He started very well, but faded as the game wore on.
Thought Weber speeded up our backline play and gave the backs more freedom to stretch the attack. But I take the point about replacing A Smith in a Quarter/semi/final with him, he is dynamic but TJ has the experience, and seems to have better perspective in the big games.
Can see Todd easily making the bench.
The conundrum is BBBR and how they will accommodate him. -
I can only assume people seeing positivity and improvement in Ioane are the same that saw Rokocoko in dynamic form in his last year. Seeing what they want, as opposed to what is happening.
Make no mistake, I want Ioane back in the team, over Reece. He just doesn't deserve it at the moment.
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@MajorRage I think Reece is the NMS of 2019. He is so new and fresh and positive; just laps it all up gladly and is happy just to be in the mix. Exactly what the coaches want. Someone they can mould.
Possibly (both) Ioanes have an attitude about them, which maybe (just maybe) has an effect on their play. -
@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Has anyone forced their way into the top 23 if SA Selection for game one is the top 23 ?
Weber perhaps?
Game changed when he came on great pass and runs great support lines would not have thought that was a chance to take TJs spot before the WC but Webber was very good.
I agree. I can't see how anyone thought he was anything other than excellent when he came on (at least compared to TJP). He kept it simple, did his job, got the ball out quickly, backed-up well and, importantly, didn't try to do too much himself. Based on that performance, I'd feel much more confident having him to come on and guide us home in the last 10 mins of a RWC knockout match.
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@junior said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Has anyone forced their way into the top 23 if SA Selection for game one is the top 23 ?
Weber perhaps?
Game changed when he came on great pass and runs great support lines would not have thought that was a chance to take TJs spot before the WC but Webber was very good.
I agree. I can't see how anyone thought he was anything other than excellent when he came on (at least compared to TJP). He kept it simple, did his job, got the ball out quickly, backed-up well and, importantly, didn't try to do too much himself. Based on that performance, I'd feel much more confident having him to come on and guide us home in the last 10 mins of a RWC knockout match.
Really?!?! You would have Webber supplant TJP, who at times has challenged A Smith hard for the starting job this year, based on 35 minutes against Canada? You set your bar much lower than me
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@Jailbreak7 said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Frizzle is still a bit of a "jurys out" headscratcher moment.
He started very well, but faded as the game wore on.
Thought Weber speeded up our backline play and gave the backs more freedom to stretch the attack. But I take the point about replacing A Smith in a Quarter/semi/final with him, he is dynamic but TJ has the experience, and seems to have better perspective in the big games.
Can see Todd easily making the bench.
The conundrum is BBBR and how they will accommodate him.Completely disagree with that. TJP has had one decent game against big opposition and that was in 2014 against England at Twickers where he guided our pack around like a professional dog-walker. He's been absolutely shit in every big test he's come on since then - none more so than Lions 2 and 3, where he completely bottled it (and let's not forget Boks 1 in 2018). There's a good reason why, despite having a significant period out with injury beforehand, TKB usurped him as the preferred bench option in the big matches at the last world cup.
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@canefan said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@junior said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:@Chris said in RWC: All Blacks v Canada (Pool
:Has anyone forced their way into the top 23 if SA Selection for game one is the top 23 ?
Weber perhaps?
Game changed when he came on great pass and runs great support lines would not have thought that was a chance to take TJs spot before the WC but Webber was very good.
I agree. I can't see how anyone thought he was anything other than excellent when he came on (at least compared to TJP). He kept it simple, did his job, got the ball out quickly, backed-up well and, importantly, didn't try to do too much himself. Based on that performance, I'd feel much more confident having him to come on and guide us home in the last 10 mins of a RWC knockout match.
Really?!?! You would have Webber supplant TJP, who at times has challenged A Smith hard for the starting job this year, based on 35 minutes against Canada? You set your bar much lower than me
I actually set it quite high for halfbacks, but my metrics might be different to others. TJP is a great rugby player with a good "rugby brain", hence why he scores so many tries by running really good support lines. My problem is that's not what he should be doing - he's a halfback not an openside flanker. His pass is shit, his kicking is shit, he's selfish and greedy, his option-taking is often poor, he plays for himself more than the team and - crucially - he's not calm or smart enough to be entrusted with such a key role (at which he's not particularly proficient technically), particularly in such a crucial match. I'd much rather have Weber there in such moments, because at least you know he'll pass fast and accurately to the guys who should be taking control (e.g. Mo'unga and Barrett) rather than trying to be a hero and do it all himself.
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