Super Rugby 2020
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2020:
No doubt NZR just wants to get some revenue generating rugby in this year. I wouldn't go worrying about the future being informed by whatever frankenstein they come up with for the remainder of 2020.
I would be worried if they pointed to increased crowds as a sign of success. I think as soon as people can go watch any sport they'll turn up in droves. I certainty will be.
Yep I think you are 100% right on all of the above.
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I have some serious concerns about some of the options being floated for 2021 and beyond. If the last 15 years of super rugby have taught us anything it is that diluting the quality of the player pool by adding new teams is a shit idea and turns people away because the product is worse.
Of the expansion teams only the Jags have been semi successful because they provided a new player pool.
The Aust, Saffa and Japan teams have been rubbish because they were filled with cast off from other teams and guys who shouldn’t have been playing super level in the first place.Adding additional NZ teams seems nuts. We don’t have the depth anymore. We will just end up with something that isn’t as good as the NZ super rugby derbies and only moderately better than the top ITM teams playing each other. An islands team is just going to suck resources away from NZ teams too. Especially if it is based in Auckland.
If we are going it alone my preference would be for the 5 existing Super teams to play home and away with a top 2 final.
Then ITM cup and if there is space try and organise a “world club challenge” type thing with other top clubs/franchises from around the world. -
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One thing to take into account, the pull factor (as pointed out by Mannix) is going to decrease, so we should see an increase in talent pool just by those players not fcuking off to the NH. Hopefully for OZ too, tho SA who are apparently European and have the shit Rand, maybe not quite as much.
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
An islands team is just going to suck resources away from NZ teams too.
Is it though? There are many bloody good PI players playing outside of NZ. Shitloads.
Are they going to flock back though? Will be a big pay cut from what they are getting up north.
I mainly meant financial resources because presumably they aren’t going to be bringing big bags of money to the table.
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@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
An islands team is just going to suck resources away from NZ teams too.
Is it though? There are many bloody good PI players playing outside of NZ. Shitloads.
Are they going to flock back though? Will be a big pay cut from what they are getting up north.
I mainly meant financial resources because presumably they aren’t going to be bringing big bags of money to the table.
Ah ok. Well we don't know what they're going to be getting up north (hopefully you include Japan in that).
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@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
An islands team is just going to suck resources away from NZ teams too.
Is it though? There are many bloody good PI players playing outside of NZ. Shitloads.
Are they going to flock back though? Will be a big pay cut from what they are getting up north.
A big pay cut from what they were getting up north. I don't think the big money will be there in the next few seasons
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2020:
No doubt NZR just wants to get some revenue generating rugby in this year. I wouldn't go worrying about the future being informed by whatever frankenstein they come up with for the remainder of 2020.
I would be worried if they pointed to increased crowds as a sign of success. I think as soon as people can go watch any sport they'll turn up in droves. I certainty will be.
Yes, but that "reset" of the general public's enthusiasm for live sport could form the foundation or provide momentum for whatever comes next (and hopefully the rejuvenation of rugby culture). If people have a great time watching live sport after this, then they'll probably continue to do so in the future.
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Chatted to a contact a Sky Sport this morning,
Sky is hoping If we are at a level 1 lockdown by June 1st , there will be a super rugby comp up and running within 2-3 weeks involving the 5 NZ super rugby teams and depending on the circumstances in Australia in and around border crossing , it could possibly involve the Australian teams...
If all this happens, a Mitre 10 Cup competition will go ahead..
If the Super Rugby comp does not go ahead ,nor does Mitre 10cup rugby..
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@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2020:
If the Super Rugby comp does not go ahead ,nor does Mitre 10cup rugby..
I would have thought some rugby (NPC) was better than no rugby this year? Maybe it's all down to money for Sky.
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Thought I would’ve been missing rugby by now. I’m not.
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@Bovidae it’s seems Sky are desperate to screen the higher end product so they can sell it offshore ..that way, they get extra money which funds the Mitre 10 cup..
It seems to me organisation’s like the NZRFU and the NRL live from hand to mouth, crazy when you think the NZRFU wage bill is $ 93 million ..
Very little saved for a rainy day..
One Union who is much maligned is Auckland, but you have got to give them a ton of credit for having some cash set aside for a rainy day having just propped up their clubs with extra cash.. full credit to Auckland as Fitzy would say.. -
@chchfanatic said in Super Rugby 2020:
Thought I would’ve been missing rugby by now. I’m not.
Really, I have to figure out things to do when rugby is normally on ... I've been resorting to doing work on occasion.
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@chchfanatic ,stay away from that Porn🤔
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@Bovidae I personally can’t see test match footy happening, I guess it’s going to come down to the Covid19 situation..if we can eliminate it reasonably quickly here in NZ, why not..!, I would love to see Pacific Island Barbarians tour NZ with midweek matches involved ..with Covid19 having an effect on Europe at the minute, most pacific island player would be available at the minute..and you know what, for good measure, invite some x all blacks like Charles Piatau, Steven Luatua and maybe Victor Vito to with this PIB team..?
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@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bovidae I personally can’t see test match footy happening, I guess it’s going to come down to the Covid19 situation..if we can eliminate it reasonably quickly here in NZ, why not..!, I would love to see Pacific Island Barbarians tour NZ with midweek matches involved ..with Covid19 having an effect on Europe at the minute, most pacific island player would be available at the minute..and you know what, for good measure, invite some x all blacks like Charles Piatau, Steven Luatua and maybe Victor Vito to with this PIB team..?
They could have an old school internal tour, ABs v Junior ABs (coached by Robertson) ... be good to see Cane and Reiko tear it up against the ABs.
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@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bovidae it’s seems Sky are desperate to screen the higher end product so they can sell it offshore ..that way, they get extra money which funds the Mitre 10 cup..
It seems to me organisation’s like the NZRFU and the NRL live from hand to mouth, crazy when you think the NZRFU wage bill is $ 93 million ..
Very little saved for a rainy day..
One Union who is much maligned is Auckland, but you have got to give them a ton of credit for having some cash set aside for a rainy day having just propped up their clubs with extra cash.. full credit to Auckland as Fitzy would say..Well you're flat out wrong, NZR have a war chest of 80~90 million or so. The only Union in the world to have anything like that from what I've read. They most certainly save (and very cleverly) for a rainy day. But, like most businesses, almost an entire year without revenue is not sustainable. They could burn through that warchest in a year, and then have nothing. That is what they are trying to avoid.
The M10 Cup is a loss leader for Sky and NZR. If you've nothig else to sell, then why put it out there when it is only going to cost money to do so?
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@Tim said in Super Rugby 2020:
Sky's market cap at the moment is NZ$124M. I wonder what price someone like Spark would need to pay to buy control, and make a big step towards controlling the NZ TV market?
But the TV deal with NZ Rugby is worth more than the market capitalisation. So the answer is probably a lot more than that.
