Super Rugby 2020
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@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
An islands team is just going to suck resources away from NZ teams too.
Is it though? There are many bloody good PI players playing outside of NZ. Shitloads.
Are they going to flock back though? Will be a big pay cut from what they are getting up north.
I mainly meant financial resources because presumably they aren’t going to be bringing big bags of money to the table.
Ah ok. Well we don't know what they're going to be getting up north (hopefully you include Japan in that).
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@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@pukunui said in Super Rugby 2020:
An islands team is just going to suck resources away from NZ teams too.
Is it though? There are many bloody good PI players playing outside of NZ. Shitloads.
Are they going to flock back though? Will be a big pay cut from what they are getting up north.
A big pay cut from what they were getting up north. I don't think the big money will be there in the next few seasons
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2020:
No doubt NZR just wants to get some revenue generating rugby in this year. I wouldn't go worrying about the future being informed by whatever frankenstein they come up with for the remainder of 2020.
I would be worried if they pointed to increased crowds as a sign of success. I think as soon as people can go watch any sport they'll turn up in droves. I certainty will be.
Yes, but that "reset" of the general public's enthusiasm for live sport could form the foundation or provide momentum for whatever comes next (and hopefully the rejuvenation of rugby culture). If people have a great time watching live sport after this, then they'll probably continue to do so in the future.
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Chatted to a contact a Sky Sport this morning,
Sky is hoping If we are at a level 1 lockdown by June 1st , there will be a super rugby comp up and running within 2-3 weeks involving the 5 NZ super rugby teams and depending on the circumstances in Australia in and around border crossing , it could possibly involve the Australian teams...
If all this happens, a Mitre 10 Cup competition will go ahead..
If the Super Rugby comp does not go ahead ,nor does Mitre 10cup rugby..
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@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2020:
If the Super Rugby comp does not go ahead ,nor does Mitre 10cup rugby..
I would have thought some rugby (NPC) was better than no rugby this year? Maybe it's all down to money for Sky.
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Thought I would’ve been missing rugby by now. I’m not.
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@Bovidae it’s seems Sky are desperate to screen the higher end product so they can sell it offshore ..that way, they get extra money which funds the Mitre 10 cup..
It seems to me organisation’s like the NZRFU and the NRL live from hand to mouth, crazy when you think the NZRFU wage bill is $ 93 million ..
Very little saved for a rainy day..
One Union who is much maligned is Auckland, but you have got to give them a ton of credit for having some cash set aside for a rainy day having just propped up their clubs with extra cash.. full credit to Auckland as Fitzy would say.. -
@chchfanatic said in Super Rugby 2020:
Thought I would’ve been missing rugby by now. I’m not.
Really, I have to figure out things to do when rugby is normally on ... I've been resorting to doing work on occasion.
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@chchfanatic ,stay away from that Porn🤔
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@Bovidae I personally can’t see test match footy happening, I guess it’s going to come down to the Covid19 situation..if we can eliminate it reasonably quickly here in NZ, why not..!, I would love to see Pacific Island Barbarians tour NZ with midweek matches involved ..with Covid19 having an effect on Europe at the minute, most pacific island player would be available at the minute..and you know what, for good measure, invite some x all blacks like Charles Piatau, Steven Luatua and maybe Victor Vito to with this PIB team..?
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@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bovidae I personally can’t see test match footy happening, I guess it’s going to come down to the Covid19 situation..if we can eliminate it reasonably quickly here in NZ, why not..!, I would love to see Pacific Island Barbarians tour NZ with midweek matches involved ..with Covid19 having an effect on Europe at the minute, most pacific island player would be available at the minute..and you know what, for good measure, invite some x all blacks like Charles Piatau, Steven Luatua and maybe Victor Vito to with this PIB team..?
They could have an old school internal tour, ABs v Junior ABs (coached by Robertson) ... be good to see Cane and Reiko tear it up against the ABs.
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@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bovidae it’s seems Sky are desperate to screen the higher end product so they can sell it offshore ..that way, they get extra money which funds the Mitre 10 cup..
It seems to me organisation’s like the NZRFU and the NRL live from hand to mouth, crazy when you think the NZRFU wage bill is $ 93 million ..
Very little saved for a rainy day..
One Union who is much maligned is Auckland, but you have got to give them a ton of credit for having some cash set aside for a rainy day having just propped up their clubs with extra cash.. full credit to Auckland as Fitzy would say..Well you're flat out wrong, NZR have a war chest of 80~90 million or so. The only Union in the world to have anything like that from what I've read. They most certainly save (and very cleverly) for a rainy day. But, like most businesses, almost an entire year without revenue is not sustainable. They could burn through that warchest in a year, and then have nothing. That is what they are trying to avoid.
The M10 Cup is a loss leader for Sky and NZR. If you've nothig else to sell, then why put it out there when it is only going to cost money to do so?
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@Tim said in Super Rugby 2020:
Sky's market cap at the moment is NZ$124M. I wonder what price someone like Spark would need to pay to buy control, and make a big step towards controlling the NZ TV market?
But the TV deal with NZ Rugby is worth more than the market capitalisation. So the answer is probably a lot more than that.
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@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2020:
Chatted to a contact a Sky Sport this morning,
Sky is hoping If we are at a level 1 lockdown by June 1st , there will be a super rugby comp up and running within 2-3 weeks involving the 5 NZ super rugby teams and depending on the circumstances in Australia in and around border crossing , it could possibly involve the Australian teams...
If all this happens, a Mitre 10 Cup competition will go ahead..
If the Super Rugby comp does not go ahead ,nor does Mitre 10cup rugby..
Much will depend on how Covid 19 plays out.Honestly, I think that would be a really poor decision from Sky/NZRU. If it is safe to play Mitre 10 Cup, they should do so. Of course you can't afford/don't want to lose money right now. However, Mitre 10 would be a lot more popular if All Blacks were playing in it and it was the only rugby on.
If it is safe to play, they have to give the fans something. Otherwise people should just switch off.
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80 - 90 million is hardly a war chest when your wage bill is $93 million , and you have had no turnover in what will possibly be 3 months by the 26th June and you are wanting to slice your provincial comp..to me that’s the sign of business that’s been in trouble for a very long time..
Auckland on the hand have had to live from hand to mouth , but have still managed to put some money aside for their stakeholders ,the clubsWhat is NZ rugby put on the table for their stakeholders at Mitre 10 level..nothing , because their war chest is their to cover their own arses.
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So the money given by NZR (every year, and this year extra) to SR and M10 and community is 'covering their own arses'? Bollox. NZR have been upfront for years that the international rugby model is unsustainable for NZ. They can't compete with NH mega-bucks. Compared to any other RU they've done fucking well to keep most top ABs and win a fair amount of stuff, at the same time as building up that much money. Look at the rest of the world, they're all worse off as far as i can see - esp our SH brethren. The English are going broke, just 4 years after their RWC< just like Oz did. Wasting money on artificaial turf etc. NZR was clever with their windfalls, using the money markets to make even more. NZR are paying for the M10 units to stay alive, without them they'd be dead - with no TV deal. M10 loses money so NZR pay for it via their deal with Sky. I really have no idea what they could have done better with the card they've been dealt.
But NZR is dead unless we have a re-jig of the international picture/ CV19 has done that, hopefully to our benefit, otherwise NZ is fucked in a professional money world, and un televised club and regional rugby will be our max.
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This recent article suggests that NZR have been forward-thinking and are not just about the here and now by taking WR cash handouts.
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@Steven-Harris Does Auckland not have any liability with the Eden Park debt?
