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    @Old-Samurai-Jack

    You’re in Japan right? I think their idea is pretty right through As the Typhoons and the majority of rain should be done by the end of October, so I don’t think we’ll have a wet/cold gluggy ground for the semi/final.

    Even if we do get a Typhoon in early October, the grounds should still be fast and the weather warmish. I’m more worried about the opening weekend against SA - right during the time of year we get wet weather - that could become a real battle. Having said that, it should still be hot, so we might be able to run them off their feet...

    <a href="https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Rainy-days,Tokyo,Japan"><img border="0" alt="Average rainy days (rain/snow) in Tokyo, Japan" src="https://weather-and-climate.com/uploads/average-raindays-japan-tokyo.png"></a>

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    @gt12 True but most knock-out games are arm wrestles despite the weather. One lineout, scrum or maul often dictates who wins the game. Franks is the still one of the best in these phases of the game.
    Yes, in Utsunomiya. Have tickets to four games, one ABs possibly 2 if they lose the 1st game.

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    Don't agree with Meeuws at all. He's living in the past... Laulala, Tuungafasi and Taavao are all more than good enough to hold their own, there's plenty of evidence for that. For all the talk of Franks supposed scrummaging prowess he seems to be the tight head in an awful lot of beaten ones. He's good at scrumming in that he can be relied upon to usually hold up his side - but everyone else has caught up and they actually play rugby outside the scrum. I'm more than happy for Ofa and Angus to be there if Laulala goes down.

    Who the hell is saying he's slowed down in the last couple of years too? The criticism is that he's never slowed down because that would be called standing still.

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    Of course Franks has slowed down, he is entitled to after putting his body on the line for 108 matches. Shame he has to remember his last game in black was not steeped in glory.

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    @Bones it was good to get them thoughts of a guy who laced his boots on 42 occasions in the front row for the all blacks not to mention 242 first class games..

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    @Steven-Harris said in AB RWC squad:

    @Bones it was good to get them thoughts of a guy who laced his boots on 42 occasions in the front row for the all blacks not to mention 242 first class games..

    Did you ask him why the others aren't up to it and what it is about Franks scrumming that is so special?

    I find it a bit of an absurd idea to have someone coming on for "scrum impact" in the last 10-15 minutes for about 2-3 scrums. Especially when he's not exactly renowned for being damaging, just for holding up his side well.

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    @Bones said in AB RWC squad:

    @Steven-Harris said in AB RWC squad:

    @Bones it was good to get them thoughts of a guy who laced his boots on 42 occasions in the front row for the all blacks not to mention 242 first class games..

    Did you ask him why the others aren't up to it and what it is about Franks scrumming that is so special?

    I find it a bit of an absurd idea to have someone coming on for "scrum impact" in the last 10-15 minutes for about 2-3 scrums. Especially when he's not exactly renowned for being damaging, just for holding up his side well.

    Usually it's the strong scrummager that starts the match only to make way for the rangy hard fast runner late in the game. It all sounds a little odd to me

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    @canefan said in AB RWC squad:

    @Bones said in AB RWC squad:

    @Steven-Harris said in AB RWC squad:

    @Bones it was good to get them thoughts of a guy who laced his boots on 42 occasions in the front row for the all blacks not to mention 242 first class games..

    Did you ask him why the others aren't up to it and what it is about Franks scrumming that is so special?

    I find it a bit of an absurd idea to have someone coming on for "scrum impact" in the last 10-15 minutes for about 2-3 scrums. Especially when he's not exactly renowned for being damaging, just for holding up his side well.

    Usually it's the strong scrummager that starts the match only to make way for the rangy hard fast runner late in the game. It all sounds a little odd to me

    Would be good to find a really scrum solid but immobile hooker and lock to bring on at the same time. Imagine being able to win our own scrum in the final quarter instead of what we usually do.

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    @Bones said in AB RWC squad:

    I find it a bit of an absurd idea to have someone coming on for "scrum impact" in the last 10-15 minutes for about 2-3 scrums.

    That's what I was getting at in an earlier post.

    The last comment is interesting as I was going to put "2-3 scrums" in mine - googled for "how many scrums in an international test?" Didn't find a lot except six nations stuff (which may have more scrums due to wet weather) but indicative data nonetheless, and tests usually have approx 15-18 a match - so every 5 mins or so (whether there are more later in the match I don't know). Even that seemed a lot to me...

    My conclusion was that, no, it wouldn't be worth having for someone on for 20 minutes to hold up a few scrums if they were doing little else in the way of carrying, dominant tackles, turnovers.

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    replied to Snowy on last edited by
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    @Snowy sod off with your actual analysis and data.

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    @Bones said in AB RWC squad:

    @Snowy sod off with your actual analysis and data.

    Sorry, my bad. Shouldn't break with tradition.

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    @Snowy said in AB RWC squad:

    The last comment is interesting as I was going to put "2-3 scrums" in mine - googled for "how many scrums in an international test?" Didn't find a lot except six nations stuff (which may have more scrums due to wet weather) but indicative data nonetheless, and tests usually have approx 15-18 a match - so every 5 mins or so (whether there are more later in the match I don't know). Even that seemed a lot to me...

    Some AB Tests this year:

    12 scrums vs SA
    9 scrums vs Aus I
    14 scrums vs Aus II

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    replied to Duluth on last edited by
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    @Duluth So we do have fewer. Thought that might be the case.

    Makes having a "scrum specialist" even less important.

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    @Snowy The phsyological advantange of destroying your opponents scrum cannot be underestimated.

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    @Higgins said in AB RWC squad:

    @Snowy The phsyological advantange of destroying your opponents scrum cannot be underestimated.

    When was the last time Franks did that? And how useful is that in the last 2 minutes of the match when you're in your own half?

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    @Higgins said in AB RWC squad:

    @Snowy The phsyological advantange of destroying your opponents scrum cannot be underestimated.

    That is true, but are we really more likely to do that with Owen? A few times in the last 20 really going to mentally break the opposition compared to mobility, physicality?

    We don't often destroy anyone's scrum really, but we do outpace them. If it was a regular occurrence and part of our game plan, fine, but it doesn't look like it given the selections.

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    I’d be happy to win our own put ins and not get pushed around on theirs ,

    Reckon dominating the break down is more important in the modern game

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    you need parity in the scrum, then there's bugger all advantage until you get to total dominance - if it's a penalty every time, then a team can just repeat until yellow card / penalty try, as well as gain easy exits and retaining possession from under pressure defensive positions.
    the selectors should have been running ofa etc as starters occasionally to test them against opposition top scrummagers (with franks on the bench) for the past season or two. then we'd have confidence that they're not going to have a mare in a big game. now it's a risk - one i'd still take, but it could have been managed better.

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    Franks has won us a hell of a lot of penalties at scrum time over his career. But I think the mobility of the others and the importance of being an option with ball in hand/support play is far more beneficial with the way we want to play.

    Thanks for the memories Owen. Now go and help save Canterbury’s season 😎

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    replied to Steven Harris on last edited by Duluth
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    @Steven-Harris said in AB RWC squad:

    @Chris-B, I have doubts myself over both Tuangafasi and Taavao as top class scrummagers ..

    Ofa fine as TH replacement, OK as LH but not starter, and OK TH starter against weaker teams.

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